I'm a bit confused by the narrative that playing out from the back is a new style as if Shota and Dawson had us hoofing it up field every game. We've been playing it out from the back for 12 months with regular **** ups. Maybe Rosenior can get them doing it more reliably and more assuredly, but for now it's the same issues we've seen in a number of games.
After Reading we have another pre-season. It takes trust confidence and understanding to gel a team in any style of play. Rosie's lucky if he's had 8 hours on the training ground with them so far, but has still got 4 points from working with what he has on the fly. Read Curtis Davis interview with Baz describing playing out under Rosie. It's about knowing when and that comes with time and experience. If we do manage to beat Reading though - we go into the break mid-table, and that's genuine progress, at this stage this season compared to last. At no stage this season have we been below last year's equivalent standings on any given matchday. And some of you ****ers are painting this year as a ****ing disaster.
Can't believe how negative this thread seems to be. Surely tonight was a huge result and performance. And getting it by dominating possession and passing the opposition off the park, surely that's the dream scenario? If we're going to become a team that goes all in on an attractive style and gets good at it, that sounds absolutely ideal to me.
Yeah, but a prominent 1970s Hull schoolteacher once said 'get rid of it first then play football in their half' having never run a professional football club in their lives before, let alone considered what another professional football club might do in response to that rather archaic tactic. So it's very obviously wrong to trust professionals who train, study and play day in and day out over relatively long careers to be able to handle a football with their feet... It's called the 'sh1t yourself first' philosophy. Didn't you know
there’s a lot more structure to what Liam is trying imo. I noticed several times in the first half that when in possession Baxter almost joined the 2 CBS forming a back 3. Greaves played like one of Peps inverted full backs packing the midfield whilst Christie and Slater stayed high and wide. Under Shota and Dawson it felt like we were just passing it out for the sake of it
Oh absolutely, when we were doing it well, it looked really good, it was just those handful of occasions where the ball went back to Baxter and he had no idea what to do with it where we looked in danger of conceding. Generally speaking it was a good performance, and a second in the first half would have killed it off. Rosenior also made the very valid point (that I was thinking early in the game when Cardiff were being run ragged), the way we're playing will exhaust the opposition and will let us run over the top of sides.
I actually think the main issue is Figs. He’s by far the weakest on the ball and teammates almost feel hesitant to give it to him. You need to have confidence in every player when playing this way. It’s a strange one really, as I think since the Swansea game he’s actually been very good defensively. He’s just not suited to the way we want to play
I think they all deserve a bit of time to build confidence and for things to be a bit more automatic then they are at the moment. Figs played the nicest pass of any defender tonight for me.
I think thats one of rosies ideas He wants the opponents to press from the front Both creating gaps and tiring them out
Yeah definitely agree Figs was the one playing either Baxter or a full back into trouble by passing to them when they were the wrong option. He looked good against Milwall but was poor under pressure today.
I've edited it to try and represent the sarcasm/humour initially meant, but evidently not obvious... I think it might be Joyce. Either that or the same bullshit chatter someone else has picked up on has also been relayed via friends to me. If it is, then some can take their 'inexperience' arguments and shove them up their arses. Balls deep and imagine Big Vern as the protagonist. The Stan Tenent to Steve Bruce, the Brian Horton to Phil Brown. Someone like Joyce could very well be the coaching side puzzle completed. And all City legends in their own right. Maybe it just sounds a bit too good to be true. TWT.
At times in the first half if Baxter had gone any further fwd he would have been playing a false nine
For all the much vaunted pissing around at the back. We still only conceded 1 as a result of it. And caused them 3 goals worth of bother in return.
A thoroughly entertaining game and well worth getting up in the middle of the night to watch. First half we were excellent and should have been 2 or 3 goals up. 2nd half was a different story, particularly the first 15 minutes, after that, we cleared our heads and started to get back into the game. After the break, they put the forward player higher to press us when playing out from the back, and we fell into the trap and gave them momentum to get the 2nd goal, which Greaves should have done better at the back post. I am all for playing out from the back, and it just needs more organisation, when that happens, there should be an option for the keeper to chip a ball over the front 3 out to the wings, to beat their press. That's what will get better over time under LR, it's giving the keeper better movement so he has options rather than kicking it long, which 70% of the time you are just giving away possession unless you have a big strong centre forward who can hold the ball up and a goalkeeper who can accurately find him. But credit to the boys and 2 good substitutions, Tufan the architect of Slater's 2nd goal along with Longman, and Sinik who was the provider of Slater's first. I thought Longman had a good game, he does a lot of good work off the ball and his reverse pass back to Slater for his 3rd was excellent. Pelkas was very good first half but faded in the 2nd. Seri is getting better game by game and Wood was steady alongside him. Early days, but as LR said after the game, the players have bought into his ways quicker than he was expecting, it will take time to hone it, but so far things are looking positive. 4 points from his first 2 away games have to be better than any of us could have hoped for, let's hope Saturday, we can bring the same energy and positive play against Reading. 3 Points on Saturday could put us handle placed in mid-table'ish before the break.
