I've made the point about there being no boycott for the Brazilian world cup many times on here. Main difference with this one is people can't afford to support it
Following on from your good points here - if you want to get moralistic you should look to see where the clothes that you wear were made and in what working conditions. Really you could go on and on and live in total misery like.the just stop oil dopes etc. seem to be advocating. Life is hard enough without worrying that you threw a recyclable item in the purple bin instead of the blue bin. There are issues everywhere. The Qatar WC is one of many but a massive one of many.
Got caught in their nonsense on the m25 today. 50 minutes sitting on m25 crawling at 2mph before stopping then moving again. Sure was doing the planet s lot of good. I get their view point, but pissing off general public isn’t gonna force gov to do anything
It's not going to get people to vote for change either. It's a complete and utter waste of time. If you feel change is urgently needed then put candidates in constituencies and run for local and general elections and effect change Ranting and causing traffic jams.do nothing amd are totally counter productive.
For many people I hang out with these are basic ethical issues we question daily......food production,clothes,shoes,building houses, transport etc. As important as the Qatar questions are there are many others of equal importance............exploitation of migrant workers happens in many countries.
You're right about other ethical issues but not.too many chopping off body parts or stoning people in public though.
Me too. The truth is that we are all of us guilty of hypocrisy to some degree - but I and many people I know go some way to at least try and mitigate the damage we do just by existing. Things like clothing and food production may well be exploitative, but they are at least necessary things - having a World Cup in Qatar isn't. Tbh, when it was first announced, my chief concern was that it was such an inappropriate place, and I suspected that only bribery had secured it for them. Since then the human cost has been brought home to us all and has highlighted attitudes and practices that most of us find unacceptable in the modern world. This is why I don't agree with the statement that because it wasn't nipped in the bud it's somehow too late and everyone should just get on with it. We can't expect them to change because we insist that they do - they believe they are the righteous ones - but we really should be questioning whether we want to support something that seems so far from our own standards of acceptability. I accept that not everybody has the same opinion as I, but my objection was to the argument that because it's here now we should all just forget the controversy and enjoy it.
An excellent post. The last sentence though - while some in the media or those being referenced by the media are saying that, if you are referring back to Klopp, that isn't his take at all, imo. He was saying (paraphrasing here) that we're all complicit in this by not speaking out a lot sooner and why go after Southgate now when it was the footballing authorities who should have been got at long before it got this far down the line. Targetting individual players for not wearing the rainbow armbands, for instance or managers for taking the teams there to play is too little, too late. We all know it is the wrong place and shouldn't have been chosen. He never once said let's just talk about the football like Eddie Howe did, for instance.
Its not intended to change your vote directly. It's designed to get the issues talked about in the media and with the public because they believe the issue is not being talked about enough. I'm not entirely sure it's working, but that's the intent. I was affected, in that google maps told me to avoid the M25 and took an alternative route, so wasn't really inconvenienced.
Problem is, it’s gets people talking about the inconvenience and annoyance it’s causing. Rather than the actual issue.
I agree 100%. I don't think destroying public and private property is the best way to get people on board. I liked what an interviewer said to one of them recently that they should take their protests to other countries particularly the ones that are doing the real damage to the environment. They won't of course because no other country would pussyfoot around them like we do. I've got no time for people who are wantonly making things difficult and unpleasant for others. If they've got the time on their hands to sit in a road all day then I'd rather they used that time to make a real difference to someone's life today. Go and look after a sick relative, cut your elderly neighbours grass, go shopping for a person who is house bound. Do things to help people now instead of making things difficult for lots of people in the name of something that might never happen.
But its the collective west (and others) that are at the heart of this problem. I heard some interesting stats recently re. energy crisis etc..............there are 1.2 billion people on this planet that don't use any electricity at all, and another 3 billion whose use is the daily equivalent of a refrigerator. The US takes more oil out of the earth than any other country,but their usage is so high they need to import alot aswell.(inc. Russian...yep,they are still buying from Russia regardless of sanctions.....they keep it quiet though )
I read his comments. Apparently it was supposed to be awarded to the US and it was all France's fault that it went to Qatar. Funny because in 2010 he was endorsing it going to Qatar.
