You don't know that. You have no idea how this is going to turn out? As I've said, he probably wouldn't have been my first choice, but I'm also self-aware enough to realise that the greater likelihood is that I don't really have much of a clue. He could be the next Ferguson for all we know.
Exactly- why are we a development club for managers? I can understand it to a certain extent for players, but to do that for players and managers? That's disastrous tactics. I think as a fan I've got every right to be pissed off that they're playing suicidal games with our club
Is it disastrous? There's a model there that has been proven out rather successfully at other clubs in Europe, much more successfully than the "grab whatever 'proven' retread is available in the market" model that most middling teams pursue.
I'm sorry but that is a complete overreaction mate, it could well turn out to be a stroke of genius for all we know right now.
You still haven't answered. The question has been asked multiple times this evening. Potentially only once to you. But very few are actually answering. "Not Jones" is kind of an answer, But only half of one
Because I'm pretty sure you could do a half decent job of managing Luton. He failed at Stoke. We're a step up too far
So just to be clear - you think an investment group that has spent at close to 200m on Southampton is going to follow that up by making suicidal, badly researched and poorly thought out decisions that could see the value of their investment tumble? You may not agree with the choice but what would make you think they haven't done considerable work on this? It's why I'm baffled by this talk out there of us recruiting him for the championship next season. That makes no financial sense whatsoever. Now if we go through January with no signings then one could make that argument. But I have seen it now
You are being extremely fair with your description of his achievements at Luton. They are Luton! There is a reason you (and many others) are so derisive of us getting their manager. They are a tiny, nothing clun. And he took them to the playoffs with a fraction of the budget of everyone else. The job he did there was considerably better than "decent". And they are still up there this season unlike Huddersfield who got the final.
This same group that spend 200 mil that didn't think to get rid of RH during the summer? The same group who didn't bother to sign a striker? They're not exactly leading the way on decision making here are they? OK, what players do you realistically believe he can attract in Jan?
Seriously. I'd hazard a guess that the reason that we're moving on Jones so quickly is that he's been on the top of Ankersen's list for a while. Likely back to his time at Brentford. Can we second-guess whether he should be on the top of the list? Absolutely! But we didn't make an approach literally within hours of the job opening because we Googled "who can we hire to manage the club?" and his name happened to come up.
Howe was sacked by Bournemouth, and failed spectacularly at Burnley. A year into the Newcastle job and he has them third. Sometimes things just click.
And usually, the reason things do (or don't) click is that a team does/doesn't match the manager's style and capabilities to that of the squad. Whipsawing between possession-oriented and defensive-minded and swashbuckling as a reaction to what the squad didn't do previous, without any consideration given to whether it's what you have brought in players to do. Notably, trying to match the manager's style to that of the squad appears to be why Nathan Jones is much higher on the list for our football ops folks than he would be on yours or mine (or definitely Lincoln's).
Until you answer the question you have been asked about who you'd appoint as manager I don't see why I or anyone else should speculate on players. You are stubbornly ignoring the question and I'm not sure why. You seem so confident that almost anyone would be better so surely it can't be out of concern of your choice being mocked? But do we know if it was Ralph who drew anyone to sign for us? No one from RB Leipzig joined when we really could have done with Orban in defence. Or any of their players (most out of our price range). But yes - the same group. You can't honestly believe they would take decisions willingly to risk that level of investment. But it is what you are saying. Not signing a striker was not a conscious and deliberate decision. But that doesn't fit your narrative so you don't want to hear it. It just didn't work out but it wasn't a choice.
Yeah - what I really don't get is all the responses about the club being a shambles and a mess. Because of this. Moving quickly and decisively for the replacement manager within hours is the opposite of that.
Ironically, a lot of people are taking this as a sign of lack of ambition given he's at Luton, when if there's anything to criticize IMO, it's that we're putting our long-term ambitions above our present-day concerns. We didn't get a striker because we weren't interested in settling for just filling a squad position, but the ambitious targets we pursued turned us down. It could turn out that our ambition is hubris. But I still take some comfort in the fact that I can see the plan, and understand the plan, even when I don't necessarily agree with the plan. And I prefer that, with all of the inherent risk, to what we had before: mostly a bunch of incoherent flailing aimed at staying in the PL and nothing else.
I didn't know much if anything about NJ and will always give the new manager a fair chance, I'm not 1 to slag them off from the off. I will also trust that SR have an idea of what they are doing more than all of us put together(****, that would be carnage!). The more I am reading into NJ, the more I am liking him, who gives a **** about his time at Stoke, totally irrelevant and I am guessing he went to a club with major issues behind the scenes. That is not us, our main problems are on the pitch, multiple key injuries and a failure to sign a top goalscorer, these things really screwed RH over towards the end. If he can get more out of the players and add to them in January, along with the return of Lavia, KWP and maybe even Tino, then we will be fine. I'm always excited with a new manager to see which way it goes, if it is NJ, then let's give him a chance, like we did with RH
So we accidentally didn't sign a striker? OK. Makes sense. And as for who I'd have instead? Literally anyone who hasn't failed at Stoke/Dyche I don't think that's a particularly high bar to get over to be honest.
