We were in L1 when we got Adkins. We're an established PL team now, if clubs who I'd consider are our league rivals are recruiting managers with decent league pedigrees then I'd have hoped we were too. We're not. We're getting someone who failed at Stoke (smaller club than us) and someone who's doing OK at Luton (considerably smaller club than us) I'd have hoped the board/owners had ambition. I'm angry that they don't.
We hired Adkins when we were in League One and Scunthorpe were in the Championship. He was actually stepping down a level, to a (relative) giant in a division where he'd twice got a smaller club promoted.
So, you are ignoring my post to you yesterday where I said I have no issue with you, and I think you create some good content? I dont expect you to provide detailed sources for a balanced argument. FFS i wasnt even arguing. It’s just you are targeting Lincoln and making **** up that isnt true. Shall I just ignore that when people say stuff that isnt true. Ive also called other out for it tonight, for saying stuff that fits an agenda. Why cant people deal in facts, it makes stuff easier. You played the poster cos it was a cheap target. Yes Lincoln is more negative than most, but doesn’t mean he is always negative, that just isnt realistic or fair.
I don't think whether or not you being negative was the point up for discussion anyway. It was more that given the expected negative take it colours your assessment of the current situation. But, crucially, it doesn't mean you are definitely wrong. Time will tell. Did people turn up an politely clap whilst losing those games? I gather things got pretty hostile. The away fans thing is something every club struggles with if twitter is to be believed. Perhaps we have a bigger problem? Other fan bases look like utter numpties at times though. Like when Villa and Leeds fans are online or on the radio suggesting "Tuchel or Poch, Tuch or Poch" like utter fools. Sure Villa got Emery but (rightly or wrongly) he is not considered in the same category as those two. Or Arsenal fans with their embarrassing Fan TV and wailing all over the internet about how they should have had 5 penalties and we should have had 3 red cards in that draw. We clearly have some fools (all fanbases do) but we are on the lower end (might be bias though) from what I have seen. And I personally prefer it that way
I guess I am still a bit taken aback by the comment from yesterday. It probably hasn't sunk in yet. I clearly don't take compliments well. Or criticism either (which is more common but still isn't good)
I generally do as well. I've no issue with us generally being well behaved fans, I do have an issue when that reputation is being abused by the club. They must have known this would be a disappointing appointment and either didn't care, or just knew we'd blindly accept it.
Gosh I completely misremembered he was with us in League One as well as the championship. Completely blanked. But of course he would have been otherwise we'd still have had Pardew. Point on someone with a similar record not stepping up to the PL still kind of stands though
Or just trust that they thought that they were making the right decision. Which I guess falls under the "didn't care" category to an extent I'm not sure I see much "blind acceptance" going on out there on social media.
I think we may all be pleasantly surprised by Jones. Highly thought of in football circles, Tactically astute, and a Very good man manager. (Been told all this by a relative of a current Luton player). Speaks Spanish which probably explains why he’d be very comfortable working with Selles. Will change the team if he see’s that he’s picked the wrong players tactically etc. Good thing is, is that he’s going to get a pre season with virtually the whole squad whilst the World Cup is going on.
Fair enough on Adkins, but what about Poch? Jones has achieved 10x than what Poch had done when we hired him. Don't get me wrong, I would way prefer someone like Emery, but Jones has been incredible at Luton and he may well follow the likes of Potter, Howe or Franck in stepping up from lower league/Championship success into the premier league. It isn't an awful appointment, it is uninspiring and underwhelming for sure, but it isn't resigning us to complete failure!
Some people are willing to accept the club making fools of them more than others I guess. Same thing happened when we went down. People defended Rupert Lowe, then Redknapp, then Poortvliet all the way down to league one. Here is what the Stoke fans think: https://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/306429/mad-nate-favourite-southampton-job?page=1 Says it all.
How many are we expecting to go? DCC and Salisu. JWP probably isn't doing enough. Some are saying Lavia makes a late run but surely he has been injured too long. It would be bold of him to get in after at most 6 (?) games. So a little short in defenders. Maybe our attackers can get some confidence boosts in training (straw clutching)
Im curious as to who you would’ve liked to have seen come in? As most of the names on the bookies odds list don’t inspire me, and some of the bigger names obviously would never come here. So would someone from abroad who you hadn’t heard of inspire you more than Jones?
Have you read this? I read the first dozen or so and most are saying they think their club was the problem and acknowledging his job at Luton. Saying they were a blip etc Now perhaps it gets more heated as you scroll down. But it certainly doesn't "say it all". It says what Stoke fans think. What about what Luton fans think (I gather they are devastated even though he ditched them once)
Huh?? It is a mix of those that hate him and think he is crap and others who say the problem at Stoke hasn't been with the managers... how does that say it all? Also, im sure i could send a link to a luton forum which would probably be a more accurate reflection than isolating one season of his career.
I actually spoke to a Stoke fan I work with about this today. He said Jones was a disaster but not necessarily his fault. Said he tried to implement a style of play on players Stoke didn’t have and not play to the teams strengths Assuming that we have identified his style as one that matches our squad then I don’t think the situations are too comparable tbh
Its certainly something that we need from a new manager. Interestingly, Ralph was touted by JWP as a great man manager when he came in. Every new face is a breath of fresh air if they come in positive and smiling. After 4 years with players complaining about how hard they have to work and why they aren't winning and being told that they should have and could have won if they'd been a little less **** in front of goal its not a surprise that his 'man management' ability was questioned. Of course players got pissed off, they weren't delivering or winning. I mean, Redmond complaining? So what, I complained every time he passed it backwards. The Athletic found a stunning revelation of the time Ralph promised a player a start away from home but changed his mind! Stunning piece of mis-management that. Point is, tough decisions need to be made and they will never be popular. Players can be damned lazy even when touted as one of the best teams in the league and they're all to blame for relationships going bad.
For many it would it seems. No idea about Lincoln. But just seeing the calls for Gallardo, the Salzburg guy etc. People like the unknown I guess. And that is rarer and rarer these days with all the media out there
“Disaster” “Worst manager we have ever had” “Narcissistic bellend who had no clue how to get anything from the players” “Utterly w*nk” Pretty good reviews from the only other time he’s tried to manage someone other than Luton. Really hope the gamble pays off
