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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by Doc, Nov 4, 2022.

  1. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo Carlos

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    If Bournemouth scored from every opportunity they could have had 5 or 6 goals but that rarely happens. They were clinical in front of goal but we were better. For most matches this season we just don't convert chances to goals but we did yesterday and we got three points. You NEED to score goals to win games. I feel we've been unlucky a few games but I felt we were a little fortunate yesterday to only go in a goal down at half time.

    You take your chances, you win games.
     
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  2. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo Carlos

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    Oh and the kids can only save him if they get on the pitch. Who decides that? That would be the manager. Sometimes you have to give him credit when he does things right just as you throw stones when you feel he ****s up.
     
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  3. Leedsoflondon

    Leedsoflondon Well-Known Member

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    Yes but the point was by the time they do that the midfielder’s are marked and in a tight area where they are more restricted to use the ball.
     
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  4. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    oh so very true
     
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  5. Doc

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    Matt how badly we played last season under Bielsa……. But then you know the reason for that don’t you. Plus you ignore the 3 previous seasons of brilliant football where only the top 3 teams could counter Bielsa’s tactics which is why everyone wanted to be a Leeds fan and we reached 9th in the prem table. So please stop shaping facts to suit your viewpoint mate.
     
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    Vile v scum today.........much as it is ingrained to detest the scumsters, coming up fast on the rails are the holte Ender's especially with the utter cretin agbon-balbore and his I hate Leeds rhetorical rants...... rearrange this gobshite...tnuc <grr>
     
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  7. Doc

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    West Sham only club who can move above us today, and are so far
     
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  8. 2 pennth

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    He just tries to be controversial to generate site traffic (it’s good for his commission)
     
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  9. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Two season's actually. We were beaten to second place by Sheffield Utd in 18/19, even though we spent massively on loans etc. 19/20 was a great season (even though we spent massively). 20/21 was a great season, but only mirrored what Sheff U had done the previous year, and things fell apart in 21/22.

    I'm sorry but Bielsa was overrated. Yes, he got him squad the fittest in the League, but by doing so shortened their career. I truly believe some over hype Bielsa because of his rapport with the fans.
     
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  10. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    <laugh>
     
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  11. Doc

    Doc Well-Known Member

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    <laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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  12. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    Yet we finished 9th when only the top 3 could outplay us.. Eh?
     
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  13. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    Goid results today for Newcastle & Palace today. West ham lost so still below us.
     
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  14. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Spent massively? We had Harrison on loan who played, Izzy Brown and Lewis Baker who hardly featured?

    We sold Vieira and with the cash brought Bamford but remember the season before we’d sold Chris Wood and not replaced him
     
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  15. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    It doesn't matter which teams beat us, it matters where we finish come end of the season.
     
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  16. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    For a Championship club to take Brown, Baker, Harrison, Blackman. That's 6m already.

    Wood was before Bielsa's tenure. Bamford was Orta's signature.
     
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    Happy Birthday Johnny Giles
     
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    I doubt you asked the baying masses what they though Bournemouth’s xg was jammy <laugh> but we were absolute dog in the first half. They were much the better side, they had several good chances and we were all over the place. Not seen anyone dispute that - Even us mere mortals forced to watch on tv.

    However, Fans often assume that a chance means a team should have scored. They almost universally overstate the likelihood of converting opportunities - for and against.

    There are variations between the different xg algorithms but they use similar concepts. Some look at something in the region of 50,000 chances in the top European leagues, categorise them and assess how many were converted.

    If Bournemouth’s players were of average efficiency. They’d score 1 or 2 goals on average from the chances created in that game and we'd score 2 or 3 (helped by the penalty obviously)

    Call it bollox all you like but people in the game use these stats all the time to assess fairness/likeliness of a result happening, how well a team is functioning at creating and stopping chances.

    Xg doesn’t replace the eye test, nothing does that. All of us with eyes can see we were rank in the first half. Nor does it tell you whether a side sat on a lead and stopped trying to score etc. But it does a decent job of assessing how good the chances created were. Their best chance was actually missed by kiefer moore... but they took some more difficult ones - that strikers on average would miss more than they score from.
     
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  19. Infidel

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    Just heard Southampton are departing with Hassenhuttl.
    Also FIFA have notified English FA that they do not want any of there VAR representatives for the WC.
     
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  20. Infidel

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    I hope the Spuds play Dier next week, Summerville will have a field day because Dier is Dier, Kane is lost without Son, i fancy another 3 pts I really do.
     
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