I'm astounded how people on this board simply refuse to give Bamford any credit for his excellent movement to set up the goal, or for Marsch's ability to work out how to beat the Liverpool press It can only be because they hate, or because they're ignorant and are only capable of seeing twenty two men running around kicking a ball It really isn't hard to see that this is a well crafted move, and the starting positions of the Leeds players in the picture tells you that they've set themselves there precisely to create the space to attack and in essence get a two on one against VVD It must be horrible watching football that's so grey because you can't see the colour ... that's why people moan and complain when they see a missed chance or a mistake, because that's all they see ... they don't see the beauty in between, the tactical battles as managers try to outwit each other Jesse Marsch completely out thought Klopp, and eventually Liverpool broke as their minds tired trying to keep up with Leeds' movement I constantly try and get people to join this forum, mostly by trying to write informative pieces for you to enjoy ... nobody signs up after they've clicked the link and read the topic, because they feel it's all a bit toxic in the comments and they don't want to be drowned in negativity So what is the point of this forum? Elland does his best every day to try and stimulate debate, but it always seems to sink into a pit of negativity ... if you're not the wallowing kind, then the discussion becomes pointless because there isn't really any thought out, well constructed insights The same old faces making the same old noise, day after day after day I tried, at least I tried
Keep trying Billy. I agree with alot of what you say. As far as negativity. I was predicting a Leeds win all week. Sometimes you've got to be the ray of light shining through the storm. Join me in the quest to shine eternal light among the unlearned.
We’re simple souls on here Billy. It’s not our fault we lack your insight, which I appreciate must be a burden to you. However as someone who took a little bit of time to understand JMs football philosophy (albeit at a very rudimentary level obviously) I’m struggling to equate your explanation of the masterclass orchestrated by marsch, referred to above, with your previous article which appeared to portray him as out of his depth and his football as having no chance of success in the Prem. https://www.not606.com/threads/ire-of-marsch.403243/ Perhaps Jesse read the above, and worked out a whole new game plan for Liverpool. I’m probably just too stupid to understand. You can’t educate pork after all
I’ll give credit to Bamford for his movement, I’m disputing the intended pass, it was poor ball control
Marsch absolutely deserved our ire after the Foxes/Fulham mess, and it seemed he had no idea how to lift his players to compete in the Prem ... this is where tactics come in, it's the one thing that helps to give players the confidence to win The football in those two losses were dire examples of players falling out of love with the system ... interesting then to see more width against Liverpool, not only serving as an attacking threat but also helping to decrease Liverpool's use of Robertson and Super Trent on the overlap ... this meant Leeds defended most attacks in front of them and not in behind Also good to see Kristiansen getting forward and putting a superb early cross in that caught Liverpool on their heels, pity Aaronson fluffed the chance I don't think you or others lack insight, I just think sometimes it's easier to look for the negatives first, and then you miss the beauty ... there's a lot going on when Leeds play, that's why it can look disorganised or "lucky" ... it's definitely not
I agree Bamford didn't take the perfect touch, but he still managed to get it away from VVD and into Summerville's path ... I actually think if he got a proper touch he may have put just a bit too much weight on it and made it harder for Summerville to run onto ... the imperfect touch turned out to be perfect, oh the irony ... anyway, it's all about how Leeds undid Liverpool's defence, and why Robertson ended up with his head in his hands ... he only realised what Leeds had done when the ball hit the net
Marsch system is fundamentally about causing chaos in transition. The swarm press blocks passing lanes and the idea of a narrow system is those pressers then become free men who can break quickly in really dangerous areas. Hence the quick passes, hence the mistakes because its all done quickly often in tight spaces. JM thinks the rewards when it works outweigh the negatives. It's a tougher nut to crack playing at home against sides that low block, so absolutely he needs to look at ways to be more effective in those games. Bournemouth will do it Saturday. But, and this is where Emu, a few others, and I are at odds with many on here Billy. It's broadly the same system with a few variations against leicester, fulham and liverpool. The ire and knee-jerks are way too much after defeats and the plaudits way too high after the win. We were **** at Leicester but they had one shot on target and won 2-0. The difference in close games is individual mistakes or moments of quality. Everybody in the game knows this, Bielsa says it Marsch says it. But time and again we shoot the manager when we lose and praise him when we win. I don't look for negatives, I call what I see. Re Bamford, I've defended Bamford loads of times on here... I see exactly what he brings to the team - but i don't see the need to back that up by pretending that a poor miscontrol - that ends up resulting in a goal for someone else - was in reality a stroke of genius.
There’s positivity Billy and then evangelical nonsense belief. If Marsch could coach like that and if he had really worked on that move on the training ground with Bamford, Summerville an Gnonto we’d top not near the bottom. Reality for me is that it was a poor touch by Paddy which scooped into the air and landing nowhere near him probably because he over compensated for the worse touch earlier that he let roll over his foot. I do give full credit for Gnonto keeping the ball alive and the excellent quick feet of Jimmy and the equally excellent finish by him.
