I can't help wondering what lies behind this statement. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15552571.stm Very often, people unintentionally say things in the normal course of conversation which open a little porthole into their past. Very often, there's a little too much passion in the statement than would be normal in the circumstances. Is Fletcher telling us something about the not-so-distant past in this?
What are you saying ......... that under Reid it was all to easy peasy on the training ground........and that is what you got on the pitch in matches,poor results..........it would go towards answering why in Reid's tenure the performances on the pitch where some of the worse in Argyle's history...........but a nice man to take you to the Conference.........well done Peter Ridsdale for doing what a lot of us knew should have happened sooner.
You wont be able to gauge how training is going under Fletcher as there is a sign on the gate at Harpers Park that states "No watching training" ..... can't see how they can police that as Harpers Park sits in a public park and if I want to stop in the park and look where there is a gap in the trees and bushes then I will !
I'm not sure what I do mean exactly - or rather what he means - but it does seem rather an unusually heartfelt outburst to be just a straightforward press comment doesn't it? The present lot, recruited under Reid for sure, ought to be pretty desperate to succeed - all trying to build or rebuild careers which ought to mean they make the effort for themselves even if sometimes the ability is lacking and perhaps management not right. Please note I'm not accusing Reid of anything - merely challenging Plymborn's attempt to lay the problem at his door. And Fletcher does say: "We want people that are here to prove something, that are hungry, that want to do well, because we've got those players in the changing room now. If we are going to make any additions they've got to be the right people." No, personally I was thinking more about some of the highly paid players who were brought in during the dying days in the Championship - the ones who went on to do nothing for the club and who Fletcher will have seen at close quarters. Maybe his resentment of them showed just a little in that statement.....
I did look at the Carl Fletcher seven minute interview on BBC Spotlight quite a few times..........mainly because I wasn't sure what the hell he was saying really, ......and I'm still not really sure even now. I can see your point notDistantGreen about the players that arrived in the latter days......drawn in by Championship wages.......who had probably come just for the ride. Even after relegation they didn't seem to wake up in the first half of the Division One campaign, before the roof really fell in at PAFC. This was Reids start of his time at Argyle......which is disappointing, he didn't seem to be able to get them to perform even in a lower division, and later after the ten point deduction it became to late because the quality players had been sold. I still maintain that they easily had the ability to have done well enough in the first half of their DIV ONE season to have avoided a ten point deduction with ease.....and that was when I started to wonder if Peter Reid was the right man at this level of the league pyramid. I would agree that once Noone and certainly BWP and his goals had gone Peter Reid had a difficult job on his hands........and without a good coach to do the training ground work, he in my opinion was out of his depth in a basement league.......not what he was used to. I have had to smile at Readings attitude to crock-Bradley........in their opinion not worth a gambol on........this devalued his sell on price........and Charlton got him for peanuts........how I've winced ever since when I see that he has scored again...........he had scored his share for them last season and is on fire this season again..........who cares if he has a dodgy knee, he is a natural goalscorer.......oh dear how we need one of those at the moment.
I agree with you notdistant. I do not think Fletcher was talking about the current squad of players. He was ever present throughout the fall and was privvy to what was going on with his so called team mates. There were countless rumours of dressing room fall outs and people not bothering and we saw a lot of that translated onto the pitch. Numerous players were off loaded on loans and it was obvious they were not coming back. So many disruptive influences. What I think Fletcher was saying was that he was not having anything like that in his dressing room and quite rightly so as a statement of intent. You only have to look at the squad from 3 years ago and the number of under performers we had at that time. I also do not think he is having any sort of pop at Reid. What Reid got was the remnants of that squad a lot of which he was never going to be allowed to keep. By the time he had arrived the rot had already set in and I think he was on a hiding to nothing. He was left with a youth side with little or no experience playing in a man's league. No possible additions of note. I don't think many people out there would have had a different result to his and he has paid for it. We move on and it is good to see the current incumbent making a bold statement of intent right at the start.
It's such a weird statement to make isn't? Which manager would want to recruit a bunch of free-loaders, so why say it? Has to come from somewhere doesn't?
I'm not sure it's weird particularly I think it is him setting his stall out and saying outright wasters do not apply. He has seen enough of them and with football being a relatively small world I think a lot of other people would have known what was going on here as well. Anyone with a thought to pick up a few quid should know the rules have changed and he will not tollerate a return to that.
OK, Mr Pedantic, I will accept weird is not the right word! But meaningful, significant or revealing perhaps, if one of those is acceptable?
There might be a simple exclamation........he doesn't at present quite know exactly what he wants and he is just playing it by ear..........on Spotlight he wasn't obviously sure of how he should answer. It is all new to him this being interviewed lark........and hopefully he will grow into it.......and know what he wants.
Deary deary me, semantics at dawn!! You lot are going down the tubes and your squabbling at a word Distant uses which is quite appropriate - wierd - strange, out of the ordinary - whatever. Out of curiosity, I had a look at Pasoti, as they were in general being disparaged on here, I was absolutely astonished to see what several individuals had been up to and the part they have played in keeping Argyle afloat, not everybody on their are giving themselves 'lovebites', well, before anybody on here tells me to mind my own business, stick to the Stoke board etc etc etc. I WILL say that they have and still are actually DOING something, rather than droning on about Parrots, Cellars, bags of crisps, pints of Betty Stoggs, whatever that may be - that statement does NOT apply to LaLa and Gat Po, but to the two guys that are never ever wrong. I read of Sensible's rant against everything American - without him ever going to America!! I thought it might have been a joke, but no it's just his mindless take on something he know's nothing about - just an opinionated ex council worker. As for the man from kent or is it kentish man I thought an 'orpington' was a kind of chicken, not parrot. Thanks Distant, you gave me a prompt unknowingly of course, just needed to get that off my chest for some reason. Well that's it from me - all the best to you all AND of course Argyle
MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS...................some of us are on pasoti with different usernames so your not to know what we are saying and doing..........the Orpington Buff is also a well known Pub.........Mouldy and his wife would know of it as well. A Kentish man is someone born north of the Medway........south of......... is a man of Kent.............but I was born in Plymouth .....so I'm neither.
Thank you Nicky but i wasn't upset really, just that Sensible has a way of agreeing with you {I think} in such away as to sound like he's disagreeing. He has the ability I think, although he doesn't realise it, to start a fight in an empty room but there are extenuating circumstances - he didn't beam across properly from BBC606 where he was sweetness & light personified. He's now half Sensible and half Vl'hurg {to mix my science fiction metaphors}.
I know you love me really oldnickyb despite pretending not to. It's ok, it's 2011 you can come out these days. I wasn't being semantic or anything else notdistant. I took the word weird to mean something unusual at the least. I don't find the words he used strange and can see why,given his own experience in the Argyle changing rooms, he would say such a thing. Have met many Americans oldnicky and guess what, I didn't like most of them. Not spoken from no experience. I have no wish to go to America given it is full of Americans. The rest is a wind up for Mrs lalala but to understand it you would require a sense of humour which given where you live I can understand it being in short supply. Please keep coming onto the Argyle board if it floats your boat to give us the benefit of your wisdom. I really don't mind. As for the ex-council worker bit, well at least I had a job and never drew unemployment ben in all of my working life. Have you any idea what I've done or not done towards Argyle's saving? My dislike of PASOTI is the continuing trumpet blowing and back slapping. I don't disagree that some of the posters on there have done a lot and applaud them for it. But, I don't want to read self glorying posts all the time and they should be happy just to see their success and to have been part of it without the constant apparent need for recognition. Just my opinion and you are perfectly entitled to yours.
I agree Nicky, how silly to squabble over one word. And by the way weird is spelt weird and not wierd, the only example I know that disproves the 'I before E except after C providing the sound is ee' rule.
We aren't squabbling [at least I'm not], it's just a bit of fun, friendly jousting, I hope. Sensible is after all a regular & thoughtful contributor here and a regular attendee at Home Park too I believe!
Unlike PASOTI you can disagree on this forum without being shouted down by the mafia. I wasn't squabbling either. Funnily enough despite having a season ticket I'm not off to Argyle today as I've done my back in and can't walk that well. I will be there in spirit even if not in body and rarely miss a game normally..
Hence the username Plymborn ???? Plymborn, I know the pub very well. When we first started seeing each other my wife told me that she used to work behind the bar in the buff. I thought it was some sort of strip joint and was quite disapointed when I went in for the first time! I proposed to her in the Royal Oak pub just down the road.
