The entire system needs an overhaul, I agree. We shouldn't be turning people who have a genuine need away. However, neither should we be putting up with individuals rocking up in a dinghy with no identification, setting foot on British soil and then being effectively impossible to remove.
My point was the tories have made the situation for refugees worse by adding a 6 month delay due to red tape. Labour have a plan, something you refuse to accept.
These ludicrous pronouncements about sending in the Royal Navy and planes to Rwanda are nothing but more bluster to try to fool people into thinking the Government are taking action. Rwanda couldn't begin to cope with the 200/500/1000 immigrants a day we're currently receiving. We're processing half the number we used to and currently have massive overcrowding which is becoming worse by the day. "Immigration centre is a 'pressure cooker': Manston site for 1,600 migrants has been housing more than 4,000... and 700 more were bussed in after Dover petrol bomb attack"."
Don't forget The Wave machine marra... Priti was looking into wave technology to drive the boats back...
So let them stack up in inhumane conditions in Manston... how low will you go? It's not British marra
There's lots to consider here. Is the alternative, waving them through, any better? Will that get it under control or make it worse and encourage more people to come? 40,000 people so far this year. Rising exponentially every year. That's a town's worth of people extra every year and rising. We built 38,000 houses in England last year. It's all linked together. Letting them stack up at Manston (which I'd wager has been improved substantially since it was an RAF base) happens because any attempt to do anything other than just let them in is met with absolute hysteria. It's not about how low the government can go, it's about solutions becoming more extreme in response to everything else being obstructed.
Absolutely idiotic beyond belief. I've had boats and did my RYA powerboat licence part of which is performing a rescue on dinghies. It's really really difficult and I did it at Juan les Pins, in July, on a flat calm Med. The dinghy I 'rescued' was a brand new six man outfit with two occupants both of whom had life jackets . These Channel boats are in choppy waters, totally overloaded and inches above the waterline. Even pulling up alongside could quite easily capsize them. You'd then have twenty fully clothed people thrashing around in the open water and currents of the busiest shipping channel in the world. Yet people cheered when Patel announced the plan ... I despair.
As I said, Labour have a plan which you are refusing to acknowledge, dissing it as "wave them through ".
Do you have a link to this plan? Struggling to find anything other than 'cutting red tape'. Which in itself seems to be fine when Labour suggest it, but a 'bonfire of rights' when the tories do.
Hahaha... it was on BBC News this morning and is the first topic on all hourly updates.... diphtheria outbreak at Manston. Sir Roger Gale Cons saying it's turned into a ****-show and should never been allowed to develop and possible intentional by the Home Sec. Yvette Copper calling for an overhaul and reversal of recent red-tape
I've found Cooper's comments. No actual plan there. Wants to stop using hotels but also doesn't want people stuck in these detention centres. Where are they going to go then? What bureaucracy is she talking about? All very vague. Interesting to see that the one thing she mentioned for certain is that Labour want a points based system. Wasn't that treated like the end of the world when, yes we've guessed it, the tories were talking about it?
I find assylum and immigration a policy area hard to differentiate between the main parties. Labour didnt put it on their agenda at their recent conference, which perhaps says something in itself. Starmer says a points based system to determine who can come in and who cant, but no clarity on the detail of that I have seen. Labour also think they can negotiate with France to make them stop the boats leaving. I am not sure but you would imagine that is easier said than done (stopping the boats, not negotiation). I think they also wanted to renogiate the dublin regulation, but I might have a rubbish memory on that one. All seems reasonable on the surface, but I wonder about the detail that sits beneath it.
The 100 or so charity agency's are saying red-tape introduced by the Home Sec has compounded the issue. Inhuman, pictures of children playing surrounded by barbed wire. The processing is now taking 5 weeks when its only ment to take 30 odd hours. Its dangerous and getting out of hand. Who's watch is this on?
They'll somehow find a way to blame it on Covid, Putin or the ever popular 'global problems' ... ... the Holy Trinity of Government excuses.
Do any of them mention what red tape we're talking about? Is it extra security checks, ID confirmation, making sure there's accomodation sorted and that they're not just going to disappear into the black market economy?
Yes, in their letter, "Home Secretary, when you talk of 'safe and legal routes', you must be aware that it is impossible to ask refugees to come exclusively through such a path when even Afghan interpreters who are eligible for one of our few existing schemes remain in hiding from the Taliban. "When you talk of 'illegal migrants', you must be aware that the top nationalities of people making dangerous journeys include Afghanistan, Eritrea and Syria, and that at least 97% of asylum claims made by people from these countries are successful."
Where's the red tape in what you quoted? As I said, the whole system needs reorganisation at every level. We need to be welcoming to those who genuinely need our help, but very deterring to those looking to take advantage.
