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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. Prehab26

    Prehab26 Well-Known Member

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    Seems to be more scandal this morning.

    Conservative Government covering up Truss phone being hacked by the Kremlin.

    More poor leadership from Braverman , ignoring clear advice.

    Never help themselves.
     
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  2. The Exile II

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    It's the monarch and head of government's first overseas trip. Regardless of what we think of the individuals it's still a big deal diplomatically.
     
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  3. Prehab26

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    Given that other world leaders are going to COP and we are literally the presidential selection and are handing it over, it's rather idiotic for Sunak not to go. I mean it's more bad optics for them, which I am all for.

    There has been a small surge in the predicted polling, as it ve expected however, it's not as much as they would have hoped and decisions above will be part of the reason why.
     
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  4. DH4

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    Maybe Truss got her phones mixed up and accidentally picked up the hotline to Russian Conservative Party donors in the Kremlin by mistake <laugh>
     
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  5. Smug in Boots

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    Prior to Boris Johnson bulldozing his way into Downing Street the Tories were reasonably well organised and the government was functioning.

    The atmosphere of chaos, that Johnson always creates around himself, didn't actually work in Number 10. The bullying, favouritism and usual practice of setting people against each other allowed him to put on his routine performance of bluster, avoidance and lack of attention to even the most important of details, minor details didn't get a look in.

    Appointing Cummins as his Chief Adviser and enforcer was a typically divisive move and Sajid Javid soon resigned after the inevitable disruption. Johnson was never going to last because he had no real interest in actually putting in the hard graft but that wasn't critical. The real damage is that he not only split the party, he smashed it into endless factions who are now fighting against each other.

    We're left with a party where open criticism, of colleagues, is common practice and the knives are out with any sense of unity gone.

    Sunak says he's bringing integrity and accountability, don't make me laugh.
     
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  6. polyphemus

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    Difficult to try and forecast what will happen in a couple of years' time.

    For example, cast your mind back, if you can too two years ago. Would you have forecast we would be where we are now?
    I certainly wouldn't.

    And we cannot ignore the fact that the current high inflation that is causing problems to every country in Europe, and most of the rest of The World, all stems from Russia invading Ukraine and The West imposing Sanctions on Oil and Gas from Russia, so destabilising the Energy Market.
    I have no objection to this approach, but we were all warned from the beginning that there would be a price to pay for this policy.

    But if I was to try any sort of crystal ball gazing, I would see Rishi, riding at full gallop to occupy the middle ground, and taking the vast majority of his MPs with him, particularly those with marginal or recently 'New Blue' Seats.
    Meanwhile Sir Kier, will be manfully trying to drag his left wingers towards that same territory, and having a hard time of it.

    Whichever wins that race SHOULD have the best chance of winning a majority.
     
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  7. Smug in Boots

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    There's over a hundred world leaders in attendance ...

    ... Sunak's presence won't make worldwide headlines.

    He's PM by dint of being the last man who was prepared to take the job on.

    He was totally unopposed and no one even knows who voted for him.

    Sorry but he's an irrelevance because no one will believe anything he says or that he has any real backing.
     
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  8. DH4

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    To the rest of the world the UK, it's Prime Minister and the Conservative Party are a basket case and a laughing stock.
     
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  9. The Exile II

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    It doesn't matter who the individual is. Like when Trump was in. It's the fact that it's the UK Prime Minister's first overseas trip. All about soft power and influence.

    Egypt would absolutely make a big deal of it if Charles turned up. Same with Sunak.
     
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  10. Smug in Boots

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    And that's when it becomes purely a matter of opinion.

    Sunak doesn't carry any weight on the world stage imo.

    He has no track record and isn't even elected to the post.
     
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  11. The Exile II

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    But the office of Prime Minister of the United Kingdom does.

    This is getting a bit like when the solution to Trump being President was to tell him to **** off. Except you're not telling him personally to **** off when he's President, you're insulting the USA.
     
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  12. Smug in Boots

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    It's been thoroughly trashed and degraded recently ...

    ... I don't think anyone could truthfully argue with that.

    Johnson and Truss weren't worthy of the title tbh.

    One is a proven serial liar, in office, and the other totally useless in office.

    The position is so damaged they couldn't even manage to muster a single credible alternative to Sunak ...

    ... Johnson lied again, he didn't believe he would win which is why he ran away.
     
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  13. The Exile II

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    International diplomacy doesn't give a toss about the temporary status of individuals taking up the post - that's my point. They'll be gone soon enough.

    It's still a big deal.
     
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  14. Smug in Boots

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    No ... that's your opinion.
     
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  15. The Exile II

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    No, it's a fact. Backed up with at least a century of evidence from all over the world.
     
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  16. Smug in Boots

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    If you say so....

    "Britain has become the laughing stock of the world's media as Liz Truss resigned today after her leadership went 'from absurd to ridiculous' amid daily scenes of 'abject chaos' in Parliament."

    "Boris Johnson ridiculed by European ministers."

    "Column inches from Australia to America, Ireland to India, and across mainland Europe have been filled with mockery for both 'hopeless and hapless' Miss Truss and a Tory party they said has been doomed 'by its own idiocy'."

    "Theresa May has been called “weak” by Germany's EU commissioner, who also mocked Boris Johnson."

    "Hard times ahead for Sunak to restore UK's credibility."


    Voice of America
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    "Britain Faces Challenge to Rebuild Global Image Amid Political Chaos."

    "The political chaos has hit Britain’s reputation for stability, according to Quentin Peel, an associate fellow at research group Chatham House."

    “It’s a shambles, really, and it looks on the international stage like a mockery of what Britain used to stand for,” Peel told VOA.

    And so on and so on ....
     
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    And yet we're still seen as a big player. You have to separate the office from the person occupying it in order to do international diplomacy.
     
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  19. Smug in Boots

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    They should immediately take away her 100k PM pension, limousine and security ...

    ... no surprise Johnson is involved.
     
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  20. Smug in Boots

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    Again, that's your opinion that most of the world don't seem to agree with. It reminds me of when England supporters believed Paul Gascoigne was renowned around the globe as the best player ...

    ... I lived in France, at the time, and he was rarely ever mentioned.

    People often believe what they choose to believe.

    "Hard times ahead for Sunak to restore UK's credibility."
     
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