If Son plays well when another WB plays over Perisic you’d have a point, but he doesn’t, so… Son’s positioning of being too central is what’s causing his poor form.
When the WB playing on Son's side only appears to play well if looking at his assists while missing the fact they're not from open play, and that WB is not meshing with Son unlike Rose, Davies, Reguilon and Sessegnon... Son's positioning being too central doesn't happen when Sessegnon starts, but does when Perisic does. That indicates that somebody is forcing him inside, and it isn't the opposition RB
I didn’t say Perisic was playing well though did I? I just said he had a healthy number of assists. Ah right so in the games against Chelsea, Newcastle etc, Perisic was forcing Son inside on those ones… oh wait.
And I pointed out those assists are almost entirely from corners rather than open play, which means what he was signed to provide from open play is not manifesting Also, your choice of games to suggest Perisic are both simply wrong, as against Newcastle it was Sessegnon who started and Son was our most advanced forward, while against Chelsea they were doubling and even tripling up on our left flank to keep Son quiet so he was playing a lot deeper as that's what opponents were doing in the early season before we saw the transition in the Man Utd and Newcastle matches where they pressure us in the middle to cut out the pass from the middle out to the flank which is what Son has thrived on in the past 3-4 seasons And it has to be said, signing Perisic to send in crosses is an odd choice in some regards, considering that while Harry Kane is decent in the air he isn't exceptional which would justify signing somebody to put crosses in for him in the way that somebody Lewandowski would, Richarlison is good in the air and can benefit from Perisic's crosses but getting him in the team means either dropping Deki and affecting our balance or dropping Kane (or playing 352), Lucas is surprisingly useful in the air at the far post but simply should not be starting ahead of Deki, while neither of Deki or Son are good in the air - and we don't have any midfielders making late breaks into the area for Perisic to aim for either since Dele Alli fell apart And this is where it gets aggravating: Perisic was a useful asset for Inter a couple of seasons ago as Lukaku does have the aerial ability plus the physical strength to get onto a cross from Perisic whether the opposition defender wants him to or not, but our setup realistically needs pacey WBs who can either ping the ball through the lines for Son or Deki to run onto or roll it in front of Kane - but with the possible exception of Spence, we have WBs with the passing but not the extra half yard of pace, meaning we effectively have a pair of more mobile Ben Davieses as WBs and need to adjust accordingly for that
You clearly didn’t read nor understand what I said, the Chelsea and Newcastle examples were because of the exact fact Perisic didn’t start. Hence the narrative of Perisic affecting Son’s form just simply isn’t as straightforward as you’re trying to make out, because Son was poor in both games and even subbed off in the Chelsea game. Son has only scored in one game that Perisic hasn’t started in this season. So trying to conclude it’s Perisic having some net negative effect is crap. None of our WBs have been consistently good so far - in fact three have been pure horseshit - but the fact Perisic actually has assists to his name at least makes it justifiable to start him, because without a number of his assists we’d be far worse off and it hasn’t effected Son in the slightest, the tactics and having Son too close to Kane has.
Similar to what was said years ago by someone who knew what they were talking about ' if the defender didn't deliberately divert the ball, then what was he doing there? ' The defender was there to block the ball, the defender has intentionally put himself in that position. The defender didn't know whether there is a Spurs player behind him who would receive the pass, and if he doesn't block the ball, the ball might get to the Spurs player who would shoot from there. He didn't necessarily intend for the ball to hit him where it did and end up going to Kane, but that is irrelevant. A lot of own goals are scored by a defender unintentionally being in the way of a shot and deflecting the ball into the net. It doesn't get ruled out as it was accidental. Similarly , goals are saved when players get in the way of a shot. So to sum up m'lud, I claim the defender deliberately played the ball.
Do ir properly. For each PL game G this season, the times at which : 1. Son entered the game 2. Perisic entered the game 3. Son scored 4. Perisic scored 5. Son made an assist 6, Perisic made an assist
Disagree with this. If being in the way is intentionally playing the ball, then every time someone shoots or crosses a ball and it ricochets off a defender into an offside player who scores, will these count as being played onside and count as goals. Likewise, surely a keeper saving a ball into an offside player is also playing the ball so again no offside. For me, if a defender is not in control of the ball and whiffs an interception because a striker is offside so they are forced to play the ball, then it shouldn't count as them playing it.
I did read and understand what you read, hence I pointed out that it was wrong. Chelsea had two (and sometimes three) players overloading our left flank all game, pinning back Sessegnon to the LB spot and cutting off Son entirely, while against Newcastle Son was getting into the positions he is expected to be and wasted a few chances by taking potshots from range - and that's when Newcastle adjusted their press to choke our midfield And no, it's not crap to conclude that Perisic is having a negative effect, because when he plays we have our slowest WB aiming crosses for players who either don't have the heading ability to make that an asset or do have the heading ability but either unbalance our team or shouldn't be starting Also, if Perisic should start due to having assists to his name, so should Emerson as he got one against Southampton and would have had one the other night, if the ref didn't have a bad case of Lead Character Syndrome. You can't have one and not the other
Who is insisting on buying below par players? Are our owners trying to save money? Or should they send our scouts to the unemployment office for other jobs?
Teams have been doubling and tripling up on Son (and Kane) for years, they haven’t just suddenly realised this season to do it. Sessegnon is seemingly pinned back every game then seeing as he contributes absolute squat to our attack. So Son wasted shots against Newcastle, just as he has in many other games this season hence why he’s only scored in two, obviously all Perisic’s fault though. Perisic isn’t even our slowest WB, he’ll comfortably beat Doherty in a race and probably isn’t far off of either Emerson or Sessegnon either, the latter especially is slow as **** considering he was meant to be a pacey winger at one point. It’s why he was being left behind in the Frankfurt game constantly a couple weeks back that a number of posters noticed. Ok, you keep championing for Emerson to start more games due to how effective he is in the final third, I’m sure you’ll have lots of support for that.
I hear what you say. The difference , as I see it , is the 'offside player' is deemed offside when the ball is crossed/shot/released . When Emerson passed the ball, Kane was not offside as the ball wasn't even going in his direction. Without the deflection it wouldn't have got to him.
And yet this season teams are suddenly so much better at doubling up on him, almost as if they have realised that he thrives off a ball from the middle third out wide is what he thrives on, and they're cutting those out. And our solution is to play a LWB who crosses to Richarlison on the far post Perisic is so one-paced that the Man Utd game saw Ben Davies have to play LWB in his stead while he was parked in the final third as if he was a winger, even though we were playing 352 so there were no wingers on the pitch, and that made our shape look brilliant all game long Okay, I will keep championing for Emerson to start more games, because thankfully our fanbase is definitely not prone to hyperbole and start getting over the top with their criticism of certain players to the point of sociopathy while ignoring valid criticisms of others to that exact same point...
If Son is being doubled on so much better this season - as you claim - then wouldn’t Perisic crossing into Kane/ Richarlison be a good idea seeing as Son will be pulling players away from those two? Because we’ve started Sessegnon in enough games and Son still must get doubled up on because he’s been poor in those too but there’s then been no crosses into the box as Sessegnon can’t cross/ beat the first man, can’t really do much at all if truth be told. Davies and Romero have regularly pushed forward under Conte. Romero was even playing like a CF against Sporting the other night for about 5 or so minutes whilst pushing up the right side of pitch, this isn’t anything new from either player, despite you trying to make a big deal with it in the Utd game. Our fans constantly criticise Emerson because he’s a truly awful player that brings nothing to the team, fans of any club don’t like bad players and he’s the poorest in this squad at the moment. You just have a tendency to do your best at trying to convince fans that poor players aren’t poor, you’ve done this with Winks and Lo Celso (and probably others) in the past too. Whilst somewhat weird, it’s admirable I guess.
The fact that Son was being doubled up on in the early season, before teams instead focused on swarming our midfield so Bentancur can't aim the angled pass out to Son, actually demonstrates why Perisic is so ineffective: he should be an asset aiming in crosses, but he isn't succeeding due to lacking the pace to reliably beat his fullback coupled with the aforementioned issue that Harry Kane isn't an exceptional header of the ball in the way that Lewandowski is, which begs the question why Perisic is needed. And now that teams are cutting out the angled ball from the middle out to Son, that puts emphasis on our WBs to create - which cycles us right back to Perisic not having the pace to reliably beat his marker to create. Add to that how, if our left flank is where opponents are focusing their defensive efforts, that just means that Perisic isn't going to create unless we win a corner, because wih Son isolated from the angled ball from the middle that means opponents can keep our WBs quiet And for the fourth or fifth time, Davies and Romero have not had to play as ersatz WBs this season because the actual WB has decided that the one Tottenham player they want to emulate more than anybody else is Serge Aurier so he buggered off 15-20 yards up the pitch further than he should have been and somebody had to play the Sissoko and plug the gap only to create another one, but that is what Perisic was doing in the Man Utd game and it made our shape unbalanced - and we created jack **** all match Our fans constantly criticise players because they see people constantly criticise players. That's it. Remember when everyone was ****ting on Sissoko for two years straight, to the point he became the subject of ironic ****posting on r/coys? That was barely a couple of months before the complete 180 our fanbase did on him for being one of the few players who played like he gave a ****. Same goes for Matt Doherty, who fans were demanding we sell as recently as January, before a sudden 180 because he had 3-4 good games in the spring. It's almost as if our fanbase is fickle because they're looking for a scapegoat while ignoring systemic issues in front of their faces, hence the flip-flopping on various CBs over the years including Dawson, Dier and Davies as if they're at fault and not the team's system having cracks in it or (between late 2019-early 2021) a fundamental flaw meaning it was always destined to fail
