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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Staines R's

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    I always thought it was me that caused a lot of the issues on here….pleased to see that wasn’t always the case
     
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    I was just keeping your seat warm in your absence :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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    Someone has to call you out on this **** or you’ll give us all a bad name.
     
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    Junkie ****er <laugh>
     
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    Luckily one of the very few drugs I haven’t tried during my lifetime….if I had then I think I’d be dead in cold and wet squat by now, ending up as rat food :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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    Before anyway mentions it…..I will be refraining commenting and pissing my pants with excitement as to the way our team has been performing recently as every ****ing time I do so we lose miserably….oh ****..what have I just done :emoticon-0121-angry
     
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    Not calling Staines out though eh?
     
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    Josie Pagani - What does it mean to be a conservative?
    Josie Pagani05:00, Oct 28 2022


    Liz Truss' tumultuous 45 days as UK PM

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    1News' Melissa Stokes looks back at the Tory leader's time in office.
    Josie Pagani is a commentator on current affairs and a regular contributor to Stuff. She works in geopolitics, aid and development, and governance.

    OPINION: By the time Liz Truss realised she was close to being outpolled by inflation, the public was already weighing up Rishi versus BoJo.

    The UK has had more prime ministers in the past 55 days than Briscoes has had sales.

    Liz Truss and her chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng were brought down by a mini-budget that was the latest example of punk libertarian conservatives and populist nationalists taking over the right.

    They tried to cut tax for the most wealthy, without paying for the lost revenue. But cutting taxes for the rich does not a Tory party make.

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    * British PM Rishi Sunak confronts crises, faces backlash on first full day in office
    * Why failed British prime ministers keep quoting ancient Romans
    * Rishi Sunak warns of 'difficult decisions to come' as he's sworn in as prime minister



    Commentator Daniel Finkelstein has been an adviser to several Tory leaders and prime ministers and a major figure in UK think-tanks and media. He wrote that two profoundly wrong and destructive ideas seem to have taken hold on the right of politics.

    The first is that tax cuts are always the appropriate Conservative response to any challenge. The second is worse – that tax cuts are the only thing that gives meaning to the Conservative Party.

    Authentic conservatism, he writes, is about stability, protecting liberty and democracy at home, defending institutions and shaping national identity.

    That may or may not involve tax cuts. Just as Labour does not exist to make the state bigger, the Tories do not exist to cut taxes.

    Britain’s Conservative Party is the oldest and most stable parliamentary party in the world. The origin of ‘’Tories’’ dates back to the English civil war and the previous King Charles.

    The definition of the ‘’right’’ of politics has its origins in the French Revolution of 1789. The National Assembly met to draw up a new constitution. Those who thought the King should have an absolute veto over policy sat on the right, while those who didn't sat on the left.

    Put another way, those who wanted stability, tradition and incremental change were ‘’right’’. Those wanting radical change quickly were ‘’left’’.

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    Josie Pagani: ‘’I recognise that if conservative values did not have profound appeal, the political movement could not have been so successful and lasted so long.’’
    Ever since, the right has stood for institutions and order, the left for change.

    I’m not a Tory, but I recognise that if conservative values did not have profound appeal, the political movement could not have been so successful and lasted so long.

    The ideology of profligate unfunded tax cuts is relatively new. It took root on the right when Ronald Reagan was the US president. His budget director, David Stockman, later conceded that they knew tax cuts would not pay for themselves. The point was to bring pressure to cut social services because cutting ‘’entitlements’’ would never be popular. As the deficit grew, so would pressure to cut spending.


    In the UK, Margaret Thatcher began her government by increasing taxes, but the Thatcher-Reagan governments came to be remembered by conservatives for cuts to top tax rates. Cynically, the tax cuts are remembered as more politically successful than the traditional conservative values of prudence and incremental change.

    Once the right abandoned conservative values, democratic values began to go as well.

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    Margaret Thatcher began her government by increasing taxes, but her governments, and those of Ronald Reagan in the US, came to be remembered by conservatives for cuts to top tax rates.
    The US ended up with Trump's electoral vandalism.

    In the UK, Brexit was an act of constitutional radicalism. Boris Johnson's government subverted institutions, including Parliament and the judicial system.

    These trends will continue because political alignments have loosened.

    Polling by Yonder for the Tony Blair Institute this year shows that support for conservatives around the world is increasingly coming from a less economically secure base.

    Austerity-practising libertarians, populists and nationalist culture warriors don't leave much room for traditional conservatives who believe that tradition is a source of wisdom, while change, if needed, should be careful.

    Classical conservatives believed in a transcendent morality represented in a stable and predictable social order, backed by customs and bolstered by institutions like the rule of law and nationhood.

    The new conservative voter is less likely to believe that private property is inseparable from freedom and must be protected, and less likely to be mistrustful of concentrated power, whether in government, business, church or unions.

    As the UK Conservative Party has become unmoored from traditional conservative values, it has become unstable and incoherent. That is why the Liz Truss government collapsed so quickly and the party has been churning through leaders.


    Meanwhile, Yonder found that around the world Labour parties are no longer the parties of working class manual labour. The middle class Labour voter is different to the middle class voter of the past. They are more likely to be university educated, more likely to work in the public sector and have a liberal, internationalist outlook.

    The conservative voters (lower case c) are left with few options. Neither side of politics is home for them.

    The lesson for other conservative parties should be clear. Values drive policy, not the other way around, because values endure.

    The evidence around the world is that right-wing parties are learning the wrong lessons from populism. Some may outlast the shelf life of a lettuce. But they risk disappearing faster than that packet of mixed spice that's been sitting in your cupboard for years.
     
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    I only say things that I see or only say things I believe, Col.

    If I lie about something I know I’d get caught out…..if I’m wrong about something I’ll gladly admit it…..if I’m misled about something I’ll gladly change my opinion.
     
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    Staines knows what he’s talking about unlike you and your master.​
     
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    Play nice lads….I’ve only just come back.

    Now where’s Ellers when we need him ;)
     
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    He’s doing ok. His mate Andy died if you knew him. Nice guy, sat in the paddocks.
     
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    Sad to hear. I know me and Ellers were never gonna be the best of mates but I wish him no ill.
    Give him my regards
     
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    Staines made exactly the same point as Goldie, but you don't have the balls to call him a xenophobic old ****.
    Pathetic little boy.
     
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    Massive respect to Mick Lynch and the RMT for cancelling the planned day of action on 3rd November due to it clashing with the RBL Poppy Day.
    The man really can do no wrong and is a legend and true fighter for the rights of workers.
     
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    I’ve been called worse to be fair
     
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    how dare anyone call our resident cake eating superhero names
     
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    COALINTERMITTENT WIND AND SOLAR
    Wind Farm in Germany is Being Dismantled to Expand Coal Mine
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    From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

    By Paul Homewood

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    You could not make it up!

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    A wind farm in Germany is being dismantled to expand the Garzweiler lignite mine. One of eight turbines installed at the location in 2001 has already been removed. Nevertheless, the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia said it would phase out coal by 2030, as did RWE, the company that owns the mine.
    Wind turbines near the Garzweiler open pit mine in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia, run by German energy giant RWE, is being removed to make way for more lignite exploitation.

    The turbines were in operation since 2001, and government subsidies have expired. Energiekontor and wpd, which is also active in the Balkans, operate the wind farm.

    On a more serious level though, the story reports that the development of the lignite reserves has led to the forced relocation of many villages:

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    Am I the only one to feel insulted by the BBC, Committee on Climate Change , Ambrose Evans-Pritchard and the rest of the green mafia, who constantly tell us that Britain is lagging behind the rest of the world in fighting climate change?
     
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