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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thursday 27th October)

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  1. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Good Morning. It's Thursday 27th October, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road

    ER faithful could determine Marsch's future

    Former Scotland and Liverpool legend Graeme Souness believes the ER faithful hold the key to whether Jesse Marsch retains his job at Leeds Utd. With the relegation scrap from last season still fresh in our minds, it was hoped that the board had learnt by their previous mistakes, yet the same glaring gaps appear in our squad, and Marsch seems out of his depth to be able to fix the problems.

    Leeds have some of the best fans in the World, but they don't suffer fools gladly. If they turn on Marsch, his tenure at the club may be up before Christmas. His only hope is that the break for the World Cup may give his players time to reset, and start afresh.

    "They made the change, whoever was going to get that job, would find it difficult. He kept them up and then it's been a poor start to the season so the pressure is on. Leeds are a fabulous football club, been in the doldrums for a very long time. A hard place, when I was in football as a player, to go and dig a result out."

    "It's a hostile atmosphere, hostile crowd, they got after you but right now they are in trouble. What dictates the situation, not just at Leeds but anywhere, the board can come out and say they are right behind the manager, vote of confidence but they have to say that at that given time."

    "What dictates the outcome is the crowd's attitude to it. If they are continuously singing 'you're getting sacked in the morning', booing, signs up in the crowd, Bielsa chants, it just adds to the pressure. Sometimes the managers need saving from themselves." "Marsch sounds like a good guy, he's frosty, aggressive and you need a bit of that to survive in professional sport but I am not sure that's enough for him."

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    Stick or twist in January

    In two months from now, the festive season would have drawn to a close, and our attentions will be drawn to the January transfer window. Between now and then, Leeds face trips to Anfield, The Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, and St James Park, whilst at home, they entertain Bournemouth and Manchester City.

    Without wanting to sound like a pessimist, the probability of Leeds retaining their bottom three status come the New Year couldn't be higher. Fellow strugglers Nottingham Forest, are reportedly set to fork out another £100m in their bid to avoid the drop, and bearing this in mind, how much do Leeds need to fork out if they are to escape relegation?

    Are their troubles too great? Well over half of Leeds starting line up this season are Bielsa's player, and if they couldn't 'turn it on' for the Argentine, what hope does Marsch have?

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    Red Devils plot Adams capture

    Multiple media sources are suggesting that Manchester Utd are keeping close tabs on Tyler Adams. The Red Devils are understood to be impressed at how the 23yo American has acclimatised to life in the Premier League, and could be plotting a bid to take him across the Pennines, come the January transfer window.

    Even with nine first team midfielders in their squad, Erik ten Hag wants to bolster his central midfield, and see's Adams as the perfect addition.

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  2. Doc

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    Morning all the post above could just as well said the Leeds fans don't suffer fools. We can accept shyt football if we can see results and progress but all we’ve seen in 23 games is a lot of bluster talked in Marsch pressers and a handful of good performances. The morale of the fans is low as we assumed we would be in for a more relaxing season this time. It now gets worse every week and our form is the worst in the league and we rightly sit at the bottom of the league. Marsch got all the players he asked for except maybe a striker, but did he ask for a striker? im not sure because he and the board expected to have a fully fit Bamford backed up by Rodrigo and Gelhardt. Bamford has done nothing for this club since he got his England call. He even got a huge pay rise and we the fans have not seen him return any goals since, except maybe one last December at Brentford. He has even had the honour of wearing the captains armband. I feel sorry for him but we fans cannot afford to feel for Bamford, Cooper, Firpo or Marsch.

    Employing Marsch has seen the foundations laid by Bielsa ripped up at TA with a whole new process of coaching. I thought the whole ethos of the Bielsa period was to lay foundations and build upon what he left, including medical care and coaching. We now see his room for the players to rest demolished and turned into a media centre. We dont see academy players coached in the same way as the first team. Maybe its just me but I feel let down by this whole Marsch era
     
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  3. oldschool

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    Adams has been a bargain and the best of the recruits for me,no doubt that if scum come in with a bid knowing our transaction record it will be half what we paid that he'd go for <whistle>.......we at the moment are a small minded club lacking real ambition
     
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  4. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo Carlos

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    Most fans do suffer fools. Fans keep telling me Firpo is going to become a good player.
     
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  5. Jammy 07

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    It's very noticable how other players get a free pass on their mistakes.

    Let's take Struijk for example;

    Completely left his man at the back post and extremely lucky that Roca/Koch made an excellent goal line clearance.
    Totally out of position at the front post allowing 2 Fulham players acres of space resulting in the decisive 2nd Fulham goal.

    If Firpo had made either of those glaring positional errors he'd have been thrown to the wolves, as shown by the fact he gets crucified anyway even when he doesn't play.
     
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  6. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo Carlos

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    Are you saying Firpo is better than Struijk?
     
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  7. Jammy 07

    Jammy 07 Well-Known Member

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    I'm saying plenty of others are making game deciding errors this season and yet Firpo is still often the target. As is Rodrigo even though he's scored 5 goals in 9 games.
     
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    On the Struijk V Firpo thing, the only way I can put it is this way: Struijk took loads of stick when covering for Phillips as DM, but when he got a chance at his own left side CB role covering for Cooper he got rave reviews and has never really been dire at LCB, maybe not scoring enough but he has been solid and getting better. His shift to LB hasnt been as great as Marsch tells us but any mistakes he makes is overlooked because he has credit in the bank, Firpo doesnt
     
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  9. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo Carlos

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    So is Firpo better than Struijk?
     
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  10. Eireleeds1

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    Morning all. Nothing more to say on the whole fiasco or Ill be repeating myself. Completely fed up with the way the clubs being run and that's due to those at the top
     
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    Firpos credit rating has been downgraded to junk status
     
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    He probably is at something, just not football:D
     
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  13. Jammy 07

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    If fully match fit and as a left back then probably yes.

    However as I said pre season we need Firpo to play a run of games, stay injury free and then that would be a better time to give a definitive answer. Also whoever plays at left back will look worse if they have Llorente alongside as it's not his natural position. Cooper/Struijk on the left side of central defence and Kock/Llorente on the right.

    Just another quick critisicm of Jesse as well...why did he tell Brendan Rodgers that Struijk was out injured 2 days before we played Leicester ?
     
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    Because he’s got a big gob
     
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  15. milkyboy

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    You are correct about us sharing the schoolboy errors around the team. Which to be fair to Jesse… who do you drop when they all keep making howlers!

    Re Fulham’s 2nd. If Reid doesn’t score, the guy behind him does. Struijk is the nearest to Reid but Leaves him to cover the near post cross. His fault? Depends on whose job is what. There were 3 Leeds players including both centre half’s (you know those great defenders you were talking about :emoticon-0105-wink:) thinking about mitrovic but marking nobody. Two of them should have tracked across. The defensive organisation was shocking… marsch’s fault? Struijk’s? Or captain coop’s who’s meant to be marshalling the back line.
     
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  16. milkyboy

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    it’s ok when bielsa did it though?
     
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    Doc, Bielsa didn’t get his el loco nickname for nothing. He made some great changes in terms of putting the players needs first (or I should say his perspective of optimising player performance first) many of the changes were great… but some of them were just tolerated to satisfy his ocd. Parking spaces etc.

    Maybe with a different training regime and, dare I say it, a different approach to player physical and mental health - there was no need for players to have an enforced power nap during the day.
     
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  18. milkyboy

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    I cut struijk a lot of slack at full back because it’s not his position and on the whole he’s done ok. He wasn’t at the races as a dm.. again not his fault.

    When he has played in his proper position he was pretty good for a while. Last season though he was an utter car crash… his confidence seemed totally shot second half of the season and he was pulled from the team for his and the team’s sake. He made mistake after mistake after mistake. The Elliott thing? The team being in crisis? Or just a Loss of form? Who knows.

    I’m glad He seems to have his mojo back.. but would need to see him playing regularly in his preferred position before giving him a vote of confidence.
     
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    Nothing more to say or I'll be repeating myself...........

    Can't resist, I'll go ahead and repeat myself <laugh>
     
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  20. wakeybreakyheart

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    Perhaps he is just not good enough.
     
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