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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Wednesday 26th October)

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Oct 26, 2022.

  1. Doc

    Doc Well-Known Member

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    Yes mate
     
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  2. Doc

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    Milky its like the other quote “no clubs with 8 points from the first 5 games has ever gone down” thats like a red rag to a bull for Leeds, its just so Leeds
     
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  3. milkyboy

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    we love a challenge fella… always new records to break <laugh>
     
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  4. ristac

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    If we keep Jesse we’re getting relegated. If we go for Dyche it won’t be pretty but I believe we’d have a chance of finishing outside the bottom 6.

    If we go for this Argentinian guy it’s just another gamble, a coach with zero experience outside of South America.

    I’d like to believe we’ve a slightly better squad now than what we had this time last year, in that I include some of the youngsters who’ve improved.

    I know we’re never going to be knocking on the door of the top 6 under Radz but we missed the boat on attracting a top coach, I’m just being realistic on who would be better in charge than Jesse right now.

    Are you saying you’d prefer to keep Jesse?
     
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  5. milkyboy

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    err I was taking the p*ss out of the board for hanging their hats on ‘you don’t get relegated in year 3’

    But since you’ve asked the question - I think with a decent striker and a left back of any kind we’d have been midtable with marsch, based on what I’ve seen. But the confidence has visibly drained in the last few matches, and whilst that can change with just one game where we fluke a deflection and the opposition get a man sent off.. I’m fine with a change.

    Could Sean dyche turn a set of footballers he hadn’t handpicked to be the stubborn physical fighters we associate in his teams. Then no, I don’t think he would improve this lot as they stand. He’d have to buy two big cart horse centre halves and a couple of grunts at full back plus a big lump upfront in January. Then it’s a possibility.
     
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  6. Jammy 07

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    Complete nonsense assessment of how Dyche might approach keeping us up if appointed.

    The more likely reality is that he'd stop us losing possession in our own half by going a bit longer at times and try to get more crosses into the box attacking wise.

    Pretty ?...probably not.
    Effective ?... with better players than he's had before then why not.
     
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  7. ristac

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    He has signed a lot of very good players for relative peanuts. With a budget that’s laughable he worked wonders for several years. He played a game plan that worked, unlike Marsche trying to play one that doesn’t.

    If in January he signed us two physical and solid CBs and a new guy up front I’d be over the moon. If he gets offered the job I’ll judge him on how he sets us up, I’d hope and expect him to be a bit more tactical than you’re giving him credit for.
     
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  8. milkyboy

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    He won’t be our new manager. The nonsense is coming from people that believe you build a squad to play a certain way… and then pick a manager whose never played that way to manage them.

    But if he did come and he’s as good as you say, he’ll know he has defenders who aren’t good enough at actually defending… Ours were bought as footballing centre halves. So I’m pretty confident he would look for tarkowski types and make the other changes I’ve suggested … and then he would play the way you suggested with them.

    There’s not much point putting crosses into 50p head paddy… and if you go long from the back you concede possession and spend a lot of time defending. So the likes of Koch and llorente, bought to be possession playing centre halves for bielsa - and, let’s be honest, piss poor defensively - will be utterly useless to him.
     
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    Dyche keeping us up,
    Just like warnock would get us promoted.
    It's a no from me.
     
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  10. Jammy 07

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    Koch, Llorente and Cooper are all good defenders.

    Dyche will remind them of that and get them defending properly whilst reminding the rest of the team not to put the defence under uneccessary pressure.

    Looking forward to the announcement on Sunday or Monday <cheers>
     
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  11. milkyboy

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    If he had the right players he would organise them and make us hard to beat. I agree.

    He might also, with a budget, turn us into Man City- but that’s supposition and guess work as he never has done that - and to be fair to him never had the chance.

    I’ve said repeatedly I don’t think any of our centre halves are premier league standard… and whoever comes in I hope we get some upgrades.

    I actually don’t mind Sean dyche, I know someone who knows him and speaks well of him - but like pretty much every football fan I hated watching his Burnley team play and was very happy to see the back of them.

    As I said yesterday - if I was to take a Burnley manager I’d rather have kompany
     
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  12. milkyboy

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    Cooper is a solid defender and I’ve defended him numerous times from the assassins within <laugh>. llorente is statistically the worst defender in the premier league in the air… and most of his high profile **** ups are on the ground so I’ve no idea where you get such faith in him from. Koch is a nice footballer… and has improved from being an utterly terrible defender to an ok one this year - well until the Leicester game.

    Are you willing to take frank lampard’s avatar if there’s no official announcement from Leeds United of Sean dyche becoming Leeds United mens first team manager by 23:59 on Monday 31/10/2022 (hoping I’ve learnt my lesson here emu<laugh>)
     
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  13. ristac

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    Like Bielsa and Jesse you mean?

    I think our problem is, at board level, to admit we’ve signed poor quality players not up to the task means Orta wants sacking or at the least speaking to. To blame the coach is the easier option so they’re looking for the next Bielsa v2.0

    I’m sure our board feels we’ve done well in the transfer market since our return, Radz looks at the total outlay and thinks that’s a lot of money invested where many of us would change that word invested to wasted.
     
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  14. Eireleeds1

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    Whoever gets the job will have to be willing to operate withe current squad anyway as there will be no additions in January to bolster it. Not even loanees as given the loaning of Dan James our wage bill is likely at its limit too
     
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    I think it depends on our league position at the time.

    Radz is still a businessman, he won’t want to see his investment plummet with relegation. There is a difference between skint and purely not wanting too, he isn’t skint
     
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  16. milkyboy

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    Yeh I could have phrased that better. Meant more about style of play and player profiles. Bielsa and Jesse require very similar player types and attributes. High energy players for fast paced pressing and transition based football… with ball playing defenders to play out from the back.

    So Yeh they have different systems, man marking, narrow v wide etc but very similar player profiles, which in theory meant they should adapt well - It’s one of the reasons they picked marsch.

    I think Dyche would be happy with the work ethic, but would require changes to the squad in the areas already mentioned.
     
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    Last season a perfect example. Took a chance and invested nothing in January. We only stayed up by a fluke or his investment was gone. So nobody can tell me about Radz ability as a pl football owner. Quite frankly he’s clueless
     
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    The wager is declined.
     
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  19. milkyboy

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    lightweight
     
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    Fast? Who do we have who is fast. Harrison is not nor is Bamford. None of our back line are fast and neither was Phillips. Klich has never been fast so Marsch needs to eff off and take his stupid tactics with him. Fastmyarse
     
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