Some well presented points there Aloony. I don't mean I agree with every single word but, as usual, you have presented your view very well. What a contrast to the following (which has now been toned down to something more becoming of public debate by BrightLampShade*, rather than the embarrassment to the forum which it previously was): F111CR: if any of the things you said in your original post had a valid starting point, you completely undermined them by the way you said whatever it was you were trying to say - which was instantly forgettable - simply because of the manner in which you went about it. - - - * P.S. My thanks to BLS who cares about what appears in this site.
2 subjects for me scream out advantage for Lewis excellent form in general in 07. Traction control, and years with Bridegstone giving him the upper hand at the start. He was able to push the limit further at the start, but Alonso and Kimi who never used Bridgestones caught up with him in the end. Yeah they all had traction control, but it's an assist none the less, to stop people spinning out because they're being a prat in the corners. In 08 Alonso was without a title contending car, no traction control and everybody had a good year getting use to the Bridgestone. And all Lewis did was go up against Massa and win by 1 point. I'm pretty confident Alonso would of won 08 if he was allowed to stay with McLaren.
Fanboys Vs haters episode MMMXVII. here's the simple truth 1. Lewis IS one of the best racers out there, anyone who doesn't recognise this is being foolish 2. Lewis ISN'T the greatest of all time, or close to it, anyone who thinks he is is also being foolish. on his day he can beat anyone, but those days are not common. Until this season he has not been outscored by any team-mate.
Seems to be the following situation exists :- The incidents according to some are always/never Lewis' fault. The incidents according to some are always/never Massa's fault. So surely that clears it up and the argument is over now?
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Great comment Aloonatron, although I don't agree with this bit I quoted. That little battle happened back in Turkey and Hamilton was easily the quicker driver if you take tyre management out of the equation - therefore, I don't think Hamilton was too bothered, especially since he beat Button in that race. At the next race he finished 2nd and imo would have won if he was brave enough to make a late braking move into turn one. As I've said a few times before, I think his breakdown started as a result of Vettel's domination. Maybe it kicked in just after Spain, where he had a car capable of winning but still lost out to Vettel. After that early breakdown I think Button took advantage and did even more damage - which completely killed Hamilton's confidence.
It is true I am not often overtaken, but then I dont crash into other drivers very often either, why do you think that is, its because I ****ing well know what going on around me. I am never overtaken on my bike and I dont crash on that either.
It's a good point that you make about Vettel's Domination, and being given a very fast car while Lewis has had to fight and struggle has played a big part in Lewis' depression. He was so touted as the next big thing and the saviour of F1, that it must be hard for him to watch Vettel stroll to easy wins and championships. Everyone was saying that that was what Lewis would be doing, and I think that eh takes his role in F1 very seriously, and above all else he wants to entertain and be the driver that everyone loves. If anything, his biggest weakness is that he wants to give too much, and expects too much of himself all the time. Going back to the point that you replied about thing, I just don't think that Lewis was easily the quicker driver that day, and I think that that little interlude was more important to Lewis that many realise. Before that day, whenever he and Jenson had found themselves on the same bit of track, on the same strategy, with the same tyres, Lewis had won out. That day, however, he didn't and "tyre management" wasn't a factor at that stage of the race. In fact that episode forced Lewis onto a different strategy where he had to stop more often, while Jenson managed to best him on the track, and make his tyres last as long as the team wanted. Luckily for Lewis, the strategy that he had to change to, after wearing out his tyres premature trying and failing to pass Jenson, happened to be the right one that day, back in a period of the season when teams were still experimenting and didn't know how to deal with the Pirellis. To be honest, I can't remember which race it was, so what happened directly before or after is not something that I can comment on, however, I don't think that it was lost on Lewis that they (he and JB) fought on the track, wheel to wheel on even terms and after a few changes in position Jenson was the one who was left out front and Lewis even had to pit early. He may have had a good race the next weekend, on a track that he loves, but since then he's not really been firing on all cylinders.
