Governments always lose elections, oppositions never win them. That’s the way of things, all Labour has to do is give the Tories enough rope and let them hang themselves. As for Labour being worse than the present Tory government. I can honestly say, no government, of any colour, i my lifetime, has even been anywhere near as bad as this present one. For the sake of the country the best thing they can do is call a GE, and let the public decide their own fate, but they won’t, because they’re more interested in their own selfish interests, than the interests of the public.
Funny how short memories are, I can't remember a Tory government declaring war on a third world country contributing to the deaths of 100's of thousand of ordinary people and lieing to parliament about weapons WMD, I can't remember a Tory government giving OAP'S a derisory 75p per week increase on their pensions, calling a party voter a racist, selling off the gold reserves, raiding pension funds for tax purposes reducing fund values, I can't ever remember an out going Tory minister leaving a note in his desk saying all the money has gone, we are broke, good luck This current mob is a shambles but god help us where ever would Captain Hindsight lead us.
I certainly don’t ever remember a labour prime minister trashing the British economy within a couple of weeks of taking office, neither do I remember a Labour PM being fined for going against the laws he personally set down, as far as I’m aware no Labour PM has ever had a fixed penalty notice whilst serving as PM, nor being accused of lying to parliament whilst carrying out his role of PM. I’ve not aware of a Labour chancellor having a fixed penalty notice given for breaking his own parties rules either. These offences have all occurred during our present Tory governments term of office. How can anyone say they are worthy of our trust whilst keeping a straight face.
If Labour are that bad Then why don’t the present government have the courage to call a GE and let the voters decide. The last Tory PM’s have been a habitual liar, and well I don’t even know where to start with the present one, she’s managed in a couple of weeks to trash the conservative parties reputation for fiscal competence, she alienated pretty much the whole of the financial markets. The IMF, the OBR, the Bank of England , and almost the entire British electorate. If it wasn’t so serious it would be funny.
of course you dont, it has never happened before ....why? because there has not been such a calamitous heap of negative things happen all at once at the same time in such a short time I would add. Funny how countries make light of their problems by illustrating ours ... inflation USA.... ! not as bad as ours ... Biden in power before all this shi** happened ... no one forsaw it [ thought Putrid might ] but hey just needed a catalyst and energy and Putrid provided it ............
I see, so it’s everyone else’s fault? Nothing to do with Trussonomics, even the bulk of the Tory MP’s don’t agree with you.
I can still remember Blair in Camp David snuggling up to Bush as they planned UK joining up for the war in Iraq, I remember us all being threatened with chemical bombardment within 45 minutes in parliament by the Labour front bench - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-139703/Just-45-minutes-attack.html, I have not forgootten Browns actions calling a woman a racist, stealing the nations gold reserves to cover labours overspend and the way he bashed pensioners savings. I acknowledge these actions are history and we are in **** street, I haven't forgot Starmer bending the knee to look good, his involment with the justice department and weak actions with the sex scandals, getting pissed up with 30 people at a pre arranged drinks and take away gathering in Durham arranged by the local Labour lord mayor, Starmer and Raynor got away scot free, they are all cut from the same cloth and I wouldn't trust Starmer and his crowd any more than the rubbish that are ruling us now.
As you rightly say that’s all in the past, much like LJ, we could argue all night about it, but really it’s irrelevant in the context of who should be leading the country now. All incidents of parties were looked into, Kier & co were found to be within the rules at the time. Many of Boris’ gatherings were found to be compliant too, but one wasn’t. There is no point setting up investigations if when they find against you, you then don’t accept their findings, which in fairness even Boris didn’t. The point is we are in the s**t now, & much of it is down to Tory policies, they’ve been in power now for 12 years. 12,years. That’s long enough to take full responsibility & we are on a complete mess. I’ve never known anything like it in my life time, ever. Just set a date for a GE and let the voters decide. If we decide Tory’s again, fine , I just think it’s time to let us have our say.
I think it's important we remember Starmer was Corbyns loyal number 2, he was seriously pro remain over Europe, he backed and was enthusiastic about Corbyns policies and their strong Marxist tendencies, he supported lock down far stronger than Johnson, he was number one to blame for 3 years of frozen activity in parliament and a great mate of Bercow, the worst crime of all he has stabbed Corbyn in the back and booted him out of the parliamentary party even though he gave Corbyn total support in parliament, the man is shallow, indecisive and a right Captain Hindsight, if he is ever voted in as prime minister we are done. We are done with this bunch of Tory suits pissing about as well, I don't know what is going to develop over the next period but the Westminster bunch of all sides will still be there, living off of the fat and pissing all of us about.
He was number 2,and took collective responsibility, it’s how parliament works. Truss was a loyal member of Boris’ cabinet, and yet we now know she fundamentally disagreed with his economic policies. A cabinet ideally should represent all sections of a party. It’s not healthy to have a cabinet that all think alike, or come from the same section of the party. I don’t agree with Labour over Brexit, and felt they acted appallingly blocking it and causing stalemate. But that’s behind us, as a country we have to leave that debate behind us, and move on. You are entitled to your opinion, I disagree, however the point is as an electorate we should ALL be allowed to have a say now as the Tory’s have put us in a complete mess, and imo are not fit to run a bath at the moment,!let alone be trusted to run the country. edit Also the manifesto the Tory’s stood on with Boris as leader is so far away from the policies they are suggesting now that surely it’s very questionable, to say the least, that that have any type of mandate to carry them out, plus of course this will be the third PM since the last election ( when Truss is booted out), as she no doubt will be.
The trouble is that Boris wasn’t a true conservative , he was more of a liberal and for me he betrayed the whole conservative philosophy and that was before his personal behaviour Had he been tougher on law & order, immigration, education etc and not been transfixed by green policies possibly influenced by Carrie, he may have been the leader we all hoped he would be As I said previously, his behaviour and loss of the Premiership is the sole cause of all the current disfunctionality And as for Hunt, Sunak and Mordaunt possibly being PM no thanks ! They all stood as candidates and were all eliminated with Hunt getting the lowest number of votes in the first round ! Sunak is a globalist with no grip on reality, and Mordaunt is way too much in favour of the woke brigade As for Labour with all the open goals they’ve missed, yet they still have no policies and have the likes of Lammy, Abbot and the racist Huq in their ranks, no thank you very much
And yet the British public voted Blair in again after the gulf war. Blair was led into it by the yanks and Iraq not allowing the council in to view the bunkers. Sadam was at the end of the day a madman and could not be trusted but IMO the yanks were hellbent on a reason to go in and we got caught up in helping them out. We know now there was no WMD so we are doing what Starmer is being accused of hindsight. Brown done what was best at the time after the banks crashed the finances around the world. Rightly or wrongly we got through it better than some. I hated Corbyn but people forget that he was a Brexiteer and voted out. His job as opposition was to oppose the government. And likewise Starmer his job is to oppose. We was all lied to by Cameron (I liked him by the way) that he will honour and address the peoples wishes but then said he will leave if voted to leave. Meaning a percentage of people voted for it to get rid of him. Wales heavily backed by Euro funds no immigration as no work here for them voted thinking Tories will fall. I don’t get this blame who ever is in power for illegal immigrants as we seem to be forgetting the most important part of that statement and that is “illegal” like house burglary we all hate it and struggle to stop it because in every walk of like their is always someone illegal to do it. I vote on who I believe is best for the country, I don’t think either of them are so will probably vote anyone else than both of these.
I watched Sunday Morning yesterday, or whatever it’s called, with Laura Kuenssberg, on it was the Chairman of Tesco, when asked about the two main parties fiscal plans he said Labour had one, it was credible and costed with lots of good ideas that Business could work with, the Tories, he said, and I paraphrase, have yet to produce a costed one, the one they have produced has lots of holes in. Jeremy Hunt is now attempting to rewrite it into some sort of coherent, costed plan, but they are the government, they are supposed to be running the country. At present there is so much infighting going on it’s embarrassing, let’s have an election elect a new government, and allow the Tory’s to sort themselves out whilst not affecting the rest of us. It would probably be in their best interest as well.
One more note then I will leave it to you lot to bicker. This cost of living crises was started when during Covid the Eastern Europeans went home when furloughed. And when tried to come back was refused entry. This led to the start when haulage companies having to employ British people who wouldn’t get out of bed for less than 40k a year (made up figure JGF). So haulage went up to pay meaning prices starting to rise. We are now in a time when more jobs available than unemployed but we can’t employ due to wages or jobs are beneath the Great British public. So companies will have to pay more meaning the prices increase. We need these 90% immigrants hard working people who will work, but seem to concentrate on blaming the 10% illegals. We will also soon be in a time when we’ve not got enough doctors, nurses and cleaners. Because Tracy (also made up name) will rather get pregnant with 4 kids by 4 different fathers to get a council house with a settee outside front window complaining rather than work. I’ve also read on here that soon the Muslim religion will be the most in this country in about 10 years. That is a huge jump to come to that conclusion from the 5% we are currently on.
This is what you get when successive Governments allow people to live a comfortable life on benefits and never challenge why they are unable to work, pay taxes and generally muck in like the rest of us. This skiving has been going on since the welfare state was introduced. Yes, I agree some people from Europe, Middle East and Far East have a much better work ethic than a lot of Brits but allowing 90% of young fit asylum seeking men in is a recipe for disaster in the long term. Major governments around the world have screwed everything up by lockdowns and abandoning producing their own oil and gas policies due to rubbish geeen agendas that are now being laughed at All the virtue signalling wallies who proudly boast that they drive an electric car, never stop to wonder how the electricity their vehicles need to get their 20 mile range is produced. Hint - it’s fossil fuels allowing them to be holier than the rest of us and that makes them hypocrites
Surely then the answer is invest in green energy, ie wind, solar and tidal etc and produce more electric cars, I know producing the batteries at present isn’t green, but again invest in finding green ways to produce them, rather than just staying as we are, because to do otherwise is somehow hypocritical?
