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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Eintracht Frankfurt

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  1. SpursDisciple

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    It's a vicious circle though - as they can't slot in seamlessly without getting the time. Skipp and Bissouma need to play more, even if short term we are weaker. Same with Gill, Moura, Docherty, Spence
     
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    Sanchez might be interesting there because of his pace and mobility.
    He'd play it very differently to Dier, though.

    Shifting Romero into that role nullifies everything that he's good at, in my opinion.
    He can't be as aggressive, can't carry the ball forward and certainly can't do anything risky.
     
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    I think Dave there compromises us too much in possession. Maybe if we had an extra midfielder in 352 who can come get the ball and help progress it? What you say about Romero is 100% true but I think he’s got much more about him on the ball than Sanchez so it doesn’t affect things so much.
     
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    I think that’s largely down to the fact that at 14 or so games in, he’s still barely rotating. So those now coming on in games are pretty much still at the level they were in pre-season; severely lacking match fitness as well as general cohesion that comes with regular minutes.

    Bissouma, Skipp, Doherty, Gil, Tanganga, Sarr and Spence have all been available for most of the season to date yet probably only have about 400 minutes combined between them all. Even Richarlison’s only played 90 minutes once in the league, albeit does have a couple 90s in the CL.

    There’s a lot of disproportionate amount of minutes being handed about and to me it’s then no real surprise that when these players are getting their rare 15 minutes (if that) that they’re looking sluggish or out of place, all whilst others are being ran ragged.
     
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    Cerró can also mean ‘hill’. I think he had lessons from your namesake and was waiting for booking number three before sending someone off.
     
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    Which PL clubs are in such a position, and why ??

    If the answer is none, then it means all clubs are
    effectively in the same position (and each will
    have to work out how to navigate it) .
     
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    Easily resolved by a manager giving the "hair-dryer" treatment.
     
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    I think everyone is still working it out. Even City, who have a very strong squad and have often blown teams away this season so far, I don’t think have used 5 consistently. Pep certainly didn’t IIRC when it was first implemented at the end of the covid season. And tbh I think last night is a prime example of why. Unless you have sharp players to bring on or are truly out of sight in a game, changing half the outfield players is a massive risk.

    Conte is fully aware of the risks himself, and said in his presser after the game that he wanted to exploit the situation, thinking we were safe, and then was livid that we lost control of the game. So I doubt we’ll see 5 again any time soon unless it’s an exceptional circumstance or we have sharper players to bring on. To an extent it’s a rod for his own back because he needs to spread minutes across the squad a bit more but without making wholesale changes. We haven’t always had the opportunity to do that, though, even if he hasn’t always made the most of the opportunities he has had.
     
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    I call this the 'strongest possible starting XI to defeat X' .
    That starting XI will depend on who X is.

    So the manager is playing a game in what those
    starting XIs are while also attempting to rotate the teams.

    For example, I would like to see one of Kane and Son
    more regularly doing the last 30 mins, to both give
    them a rest + seeing whether they could do what Son
    did to Lesta the other week (regardless of what the
    state of play is) .

    The 5 sub rule this season gives a potentially unique
    moment for managers to experiment with the above.
     
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    Didn't see any of the game last night, I was at a comedy gig in Hackney, so travelled back with quite a few fans who had been to the game who were all far more positive about the performance than anyone on here!! I got the impression from the fans I sat with on the train that we were totally dominant 3-2 massively flattered Frankfurt and that it was as well as we have played in Europe for a long time.
     
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    Pretty accurate actually. Emerson had one of his worse games though. But most of the others were fine.
     
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    Poor first 5 minutes, poor last 10 minutes. Other than that really top class performance. Son and Kane looked back on form, Richarlison worked really hard and Hojbjerg was outstanding.
     
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    After conceding a ridiculous opening goal, we played well and their goalkeeper made some very good saves to keep it to 3-1. If the game had ended at 75 minutes, no problem.

    However, after they went down to 10 men, Conte made a number of substitutions and from there, we were just soooo open. Instead of controlling a game that we had won, we very nearly threw 2 points and the group away. It's all very well playing the game on the counter, but if we can't hold onto the ball against a team with the limitations of Frankfurt, we're not going to progress very far in this competition. Given the talent in the squad, it was shocking to see how badly we played the last 15-20 minutes.
     
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    It also doesn't help our formation changed twice in those last twenty minutes

    We played 70 minutes with a straight 343
    Skipp & Bissouma coming on switched us to 352
    Gil and Lucas coming on then switched it to 3421
     
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    And that's with a very, very low bar....<laugh>
     
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    I was a bit taken aback by the force of this statement but it really got me thinking.

    The football hasn't been great at all for much of this season, and the worrying thing is we are rapidly running out of fixtures to build up a head of steam and for things to click into gear before the human rights cup circus rolls into town and we all have to watch turgid international football played out in stadia constructed by slaves and with larger carbon footprints than Ndombele's BBQ grill.

    I'd say with a few notable exceptions (Dier, Hojbjerg and probably Davies), we are currently in a strong position despite Conte, not because of him.

    I agree, the football was significantly worse under Maureen but the big difference under him was that if Kane and Son were injured or out of form, we were totally fecked. We would lose and lose badly. That doesn't happen as much under Conte, and that is even without Kulu on the pitch. We are a more compact team that looks more like a cohesive unit (apart from when playing out from the back or defending corners) than it did under Maureen, and for that - we are generally harder to beat, which is why we've played ****e in 70% of our games so far this season, yet still scraped through enough of them to be 3rd in the league and top of our CL group.

    I'd like to think Conte's work ethic, energy and confidence-inspiring approach has contributed to this, but when all is said and done if we're talking about who we should be grateful to, Don Fabio is firmly at the top of the list. He took a ragtag, patchwork mess of a squad and in the course of just 3 windows - the first of which opened a month before he even got the key to his office - he has improved it in almost every area. After years of utterly shambolic recruitment (Poch's final window still makes me shudder), we finally resemble a club with a thought-out strategy for the present and a vision for the future, and Fabio deserves the credit for that transformation.
     
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    I agreed at the time, but apparently Richarlison had a strain and had to come off.
     
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    Adding to the amount of minutes players have played, there's also the distance covered in those minutes

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    This is saying why we need to spread minutes around, as there's a lot of time and distance in Hojbjerg’s legs yet very little in Bissouma's, which is asking for the inevitable to happen
     
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