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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    They've certainly got a better case than the ****ing 59k a year train drivers.
     
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    Not as big a case as bankers though, who under this government will no longer be restricted to bonuses of a mere 200% of their salaries.
     
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  4. Goldhawk-Road

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    The problem - and I agree it is a problem - is that we're dealing with an international finance market.
     
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    You know firstly the strike wasn’t really about the drivers it was about the other workers … the lower paid workers and the proposed job cuts and how that would affect security and safety.

    What you’ve taken out of it is a daily mail spin.
     
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    We don't need more bankers.
     
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  7. Stroller

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    Utterly bonkers...

    A historian admired by Liz Truss has claimed she has misunderstood his work to a “mind-blowing” degree, prompting him to feel “terribly guilty”.

    The Prime Minister previously told The Times “anything” by Rick Perlstein charted among her favourite books, specifically his writing on former US presidents Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan.

    But the historian claimed she had missed what he thought was obvious cynicism in his book The Invisible Bridge, covering the fall of Mr Nixon and rise of Mr Reagan.

    Mr Perlstein told Times Radio the work was inspired by what he presumed was “transparently and self-evidently a moral and political critique of the notion that you should bamboozle the public”.

    The title is a reference to a piece of advice to Mr Nixon attributed to former Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev: “If the people believe there’s an imaginary river out there, you don’t tell them there’s no river there.

    “You build an imaginary bridge over the imaginary river.”


    Mr Perlstein said that, during her leadership campaign, one of Ms Truss’s aides was “kind of peddling this quote” as an example of why she should win, as she “understood what Reagan understood: that you’re supposed to bamboozle the public”.

    'The idea that someone would come across the account that I offer of the cynicism, intellectual vacuity, and just basic emptiness of the promises that were made by Ronald Reagan in this regard, and say, ‘Jolly good, this is what I’m going to try for England’, is kind of mind-blowing.

    “America is bad off with Trump, but this is a terrible situation for England that they would endorse a leader like this.”

    Mr Perlstein said the theme of the book was that Mr Reagan “basically created this fantasy about how to create a prosperous and dynamic society, one of the tenets of which was this fantasy about lowering taxes on the rich, creating prosperity for everyone”.

    “I feel terribly, terribly guilty,” he said.

    “I did my best to explain that the ideas that she’s proposing… were terrible for the United States.

    “I didn’t quite grasp how if another country that didn’t have America’s advantages of having the reserve currency of the world would adapt it, it would be in many ways 10 times worse. It’s been a very curious experience for me.”
     
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    Would it be OK to class dwarves as part of the anti growth coalition?
     
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    Everyone who's not a bonkers far right ideologue is part of the anti-growth coalition, according to Truss.
     
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    I don't read the Daily Mail.
    Yes, I acknowledge what you're saying.

    I think there are some good reasons, safety being one of them for the rail workers to strike.
    I also firmly believe that a lot of what the union leaders are doing is political.
    It's pretty clear that everyone is on their own during this energy and cost of living crisis.
    No one is thinking that maybe they should not go for ridiculously high pay rises when we're in so much ****.
    Self employed people are struggling to keep their heads above water, but can only dream of their income going up by the rate of inflation.
    The nurses however, have been screwed over for decades and deserve much, much higher wages.
     
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    That's a view from Corbynism. Bankers, insurance companies, accountants, lawyers and all other disciplines in the financial sector coming to the UK bring wealth and pay heavy taxes. Why do you think Ireland made itself a semi-tax haven and attracted big companies that made their European base there? Labour under Starmer would/will chase international wealth in the same way.
     
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    A good point about the struggling private sector. It's the private sector that pays for the public sector, and the public sector must cut its cloth accordingly. That said, the private sector must ensure it doesn't reward its management for failure which has happened in better times.
     
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    As someone who is self employed, with a nurse as a wife, it's a hard slog at the moment. I'm having to take as many additional jobs on as I can to keep afloat.

    Mrs Steels is a member of Unison, and I think they are talking of walking out too - Scottish government have offered Scottish NHS a 5% pay rise, which is a start but I think nurses in general deserve better - three to four years training to degree level, then the burden of work they get thrown at them, sometimes with very little gratitude from their patients, it's a thankless task.
     
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    As someone who has been impacted by this rail workers action (ST holder who has managed one game this season).
    I'm totally behind their struggle to keep guards and ticket offices open
     
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    Back in 2015, The Daily Mail ran a frightening article, theorising on what would happen in the event of a Corbyn government – it was a chilling warning against the perils of socialism. It was called ''Prime Minister Corbyn... and the 1,000 days that destroyed Britain.''
    In it, they outlined how Britain would collapse under his far-left economic agenda:
    -Rampant inflation
    -National debt pushing 3 trillion
    -People not able to afford food
    -Mass civil unrest
    -Strikes and protests bringing the country to a standstill
    -Massive sell-off of government gilts
    -Pound dramatically falling in value
    -Black outs
    It’s on days like today, when we are full of hope, starting a new dawn with Liz Truss, that we should stop for a moment, reflect, and be grateful that we avoided a catastrophe with Corbyn.
     
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    Yes, it's a complete mystery why Corbyn recorded the worst general election result in several generations.
     
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    If Corbyn had got in, we'd still be waiting for a Covid vaccine, and the UK would have declared war on Ukraine is support of Russia
     
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    You're doing them a favour by giving them air time they don't deserve. Wouldn't stop me buying the cheese. You obviously can't ruin good cheese with a bit of milk.
     
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    Point missed.
     
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