please log in to view this image Crystal Palace v Leeds Utd Sunday 9th October@14:00 | Selhurst Park Leeds welcome back Patrick Bamford to the fold, as they go in search of their first away win of the season. They face an out of sorts Crystal Palace team, whose only win this season, came almost seven weeks ago against Aston Villa. Bamford, 29, took a knock in training during the International Break, and dropped to the bench (last weekend against Villa). He came on for the last 25 minutes unscathed. Leeds have not looked like scoring lately, and Marsch will be desperate for his leading marksman to get on the scoresheet. Cody Drameh (knock), Leo Hjelde (virus), Archie Grey (toe), Adam Forshaw (ankle) and Stuart Dallas (leg) are out, though all are fringe players, and would not have expected to start. Jesse Marsch will return to the dugout, after serving a one match bad for being sent off at Brentford last month. He will be forced into one change from the team that drew 0-0 with Aston Villa. Luis Sinisterra will miss the trip to Selhurst Park after receiving his marching order last weekend. This will give Jesse Marsch the opportunity to give either Wilfred Gnonto or Crysencio Summerville a run out. Joe Gelhardt is expected to return to the bench, after scoring a brace midweek against Tranmere. Shot stopper Jack Butland has not recovered from his broken hand, so Vicente Guaita will continue to deputise for the hosts. He will be joined on the sidelines by Nathaniel Clyne (ankle), James McArthur (groin), Nathan Ferguson (ankle) and Joachim Andersen (calf). The Premier League have announced that Paul Tierney will officiate Sunday's game. Palace have not lost a game when the Lancashire based referee has been in charge, since 2017. To give Tierney his dues, he oversaw Leeds 2-1 win against Brentford on the last day of the season, to help secure Premier League survival for the Whites.
Why oh why did you mention them only having 1 win all season and that being 7 weeks ago? We know what happens next don't we?
They will be Taking The Knee against palace What’s the bet Bamford will injure himself before a ball is kicked
Unless Marsch changes tactics we will be in another kicking war against Palace, as they like to put a foot in these days under Viera. As both teams are only £6m apart in squad value this should be won by the better manager/ coach and we seem to be going backwards. On paper we should win, but if we dont I will be closer to the change coach club. Last week was the crappiest performance from Leeds for ages against a poor Villa and an even poorer Gerrard. Sort it Marsch!
No it wasn't. It was a knee jerk reaction to a single bad performance with 10 men after the lads hadn't played for a month. Performances had been promising until Villa. Changing coach now would be a disaster. Backing him with the support of the fans would be much better.
Can we stop using “squad value” as a measure of how clubs should perform. It is arbitrary made up bullshit. Your squad is worth what someone else is prepared to pay. For example we reportedly got around 40 odd million plus add ons each for Phillips and Raphinha, Brighton got 50 million for white and 60 million for their right back. Who would have made that valuation 1 or 2 seasons ago.
So if Forest have a squad value of £170m and are bottom of the league and Man City have a squad value of £970m and are top you think thats meaningless bollox? Sorry LoL its got everything to do with the state if football. Next you’ll be saying parachute payments make no difference? Its all opinions mate. Bruno Lage was sacked because he spent a lot of money so his squad value increased significantly and the performances put Wolves near the bottom, result was a justified sacking
Don’t think anyone’s suggesting changing coach but reality is if we can’t get a couple of wins shortly we’ll be no better off than wolves or Southampton and we know what happened to their coaches
You’re taking complete extremes, squad value between clubs outside the top six and possibly those expected to go down (i.e. those happy to take the parachute payments) mean **** all. Forest brought in 23 players so presumably as they spent more their squad value is higher than ours.
This. and palace are a decent team, they’ve had a tough start from the fixture list but been competitive in most of their games having played city, Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle. win would be a terrific result and draw would be a decent one.
Actually we probably just need one win and then a few draws...or in other words an average of around 1.2 ppg (1.2 x 38 = 45/46 points). Last time I checked mid table was the objective not European qualification. Therefore from the next 6 games we roughly need around 7 points to be on track but if we only managed 5 points we'd still be averaging 1.17 ppg for the season to date (1.17 x 38 = 44/45 points).
Whilst squad value is an indication of where you may expect a team to finish, even just going by values there is more to it than just a number. Take ourselves and Crystal Palace , as Doc says our squad value is about £6m more than Palace's, I would say that that in itself is so small a difference, that to try and judge who would win a game based on market value is pointless. You then realise that our market value is based upon 27 players , giving an average player value of £9.5m. Palace market value is based on 24 players, given then an average player value of £10.5m. Thus with 11 players on a pitch, Palace are most likely to out value our 11 players by £10m. So should they win, who can tell, given that the difference in average market value per player is less than £1m. Aston Villa have a squad value more than £200m than ourselves. The average value per player is £17.7m, nearly double our own value, yet we are complaining that we performed poorly against a team who's market value is more than twice our own, average individual player market value is nearly twice ours. On paper we should have had no chance in a 90 minute game of 11 v 11. When the game commenced on Sunday, our starting 11 had a market value of £111m, just over £10m per player. Villa's starting 11 had a market value of £232m, or just over 21m per player. So on average every Villa player was worth 2 of our players, so it would be like 11 Villa players playing against 5.5 Leeds players even before the sending off. Yet despite the sending off, the team playing crap, we got a draw, despite market values saying we should in theory have been thrashed.
Yes, possibly but there are extenuating circumstances attached to the Villa performance. No manager on the touchline. None of the squad played competitive football together for a month. Villa had. Players had to travel for international football. Went down to 10 men. Change to the back 4 because of Llorente's previous performance. They aren't excuses but I'm willing to give the lads benefit of the doubt after just one poor performance all season WHILST still earning a point with 10 men. Doc is saying he would start supporting a push for a new manager if we lost at Palace but as Milky says, Palace have had a tough fixture list but can call on Zaha, Elise, Eze who are all match winners. It's a hard fixture. It's ridiculous to start the relegation fears at this point. We've looked harder to beat this season, the defence looks more organised despite Llorente's brain farts. We don't concede as many from corners. The midfield is tougher and better on the ball. We'd all agree we need to find a striker to put the ball in the net but other than that we look a decent side, much better than last season.
That's exactly why most of us at the ground reported it as an excellent backs to the wall performance
