Most people on here seem to have an alignment to either Tory or Labour and furiously defend whichever party they are in love with as soon as one of their politicians is criticised. Me - and a couple of others - just see a great big dirty bucket of utterly utterly useless trash. I've seen Tory and Labour governments over my adult years and they have all promised to fix things - so why do we STILL find ourselves right in the ****? They are no different from each other in that they will say anything to fool you into giving them your vote - and then proceed to **** things up the same as the previous lot. One party is enslaved to the big militant unions and left-wing agitators, the other is enslaved to big powerful industrial bosses and ogliarchs. NEITHER party is free to do what's best for the country, because they ALL need to keep one eye on where their party funding comes from. They are puppets to their paymasters. Most of the politicians lie, scheme, stab, throw ****, squirm and deflect blame for their own uselessness onto others, whilst others sit quietly, saying very little and bleed off every last bit they can from the gravy train they are privileged to be riding on - the 'YES' men. They are an embarrassment to the country and I am desperate for someone to step forward that I feel I could vote for - but I fear I may be waiting a long time. ****ers - the lot of them.
R&W After reading your comments over quite a number of years, you seem at the very least, left of centre.
BCRW you are always difficult to respond to as often you pose a question but in the same post give an answer to a question but not necessarily linked together!!! However although I may come over as a single party "follower" I dont actually have a preference. I tend to look at the bigger pictures and try to formulate a conclusion! I have more than 7 decades of different governments and have voted for 3 different parties in the past in what I thought they were likely give to the betterment of the UK [ and me ]. the last 3 changes of parties .gov have all resulted in Labour LEAVING DEBT [ take from TB / GB ] .... I helped vote TB in, everything he said seemed to be exactly what I wanted and seemed good for the future. But that amazing hindsight now reflects it was an opportunistic time to have grabbed power, OIL REVENUE, £TRN's. TB did a runner and left GB to have the guilt of £BN's of debt. Tories through austerity period cleared the debt [ the wimps cried for help ] and in late 2018 our path looked rosy, indeed late 2019 even rosier! and the only sour grapes was from the remainers! NOW THE PERFECT STORM........ as they say various things like the moon, wind directions ocean current and strengths etc come together to make the Perfect Storm ... A good film BTW. So really not the same , following a past pattern .......until now everything that could go wrong is or has. The tory policies they are dropping now becomes the labour ones but without substance as they do noy do their sums and rely on impact statements that people like to hear .. bit like immigrants paying £10k -£15k per head to get in a dingy to UK the promised land freedom handouts etc etc .. Why every so often is there a financial crash ..... ? wont give an answer .. you tell me research might help! Take out Covid and Putin and THE UK would be £trn's better off and Boris would be in charge, a litre of Diesel about £1.20p and annual heating utility bills etc around £1200 per annun... might not even have as many immigrants! It is what it is and the old ways may not be the best ways ... but what is the best way?
Wind turbines generate electric at the speed the wind goes ... depth's of winter 4 or 5 frosty days no wind not enough to turn most turbines so where do we get electricity from ... solar short days and low angle of sun ... so atomic, currently nowhere enough to cover half our needs so fossil fuel help needed. Now thats where the whole thing ceases to be cheap ... tell the masses it is best thing since toilet paper and start to believe, add in "will do it next 5 years or so" and the expectation grows. Well all over the country is gas fired powered generating systems help from time to time when a surge in demand or others sources dont cope. They cannot get a phone call from the local supplier at 15 mins past 8 because the adverts for come on and half the viewing public rush to put kettle on.... then phone all the staff needed to operate the generation etc as by the time they get there at 20 past 8 adverts over teas made and the grid has dropped out! so staff = wages = money from income= need to be ready almost 24/7 although power may only be needed "some of the time" so will reflect income and cost a bit!!! .. SO GREEN POWER is not cheap add in cost to install and maintain, has limited life expectancy before renewal and whilst it is green " !!!!!!!!!!!! " not so cheap as to wet your knickers over
None of us on here are economists, we don’t really understand how these things work, although some, well one in particular, thinks he does. all I know is before last Friday things were nowhere near as bad as they are now. For whatever reason the markets did not like our chancellors mini budget. If something isn’t done soon it seems to me things are going to get a lot worse. As I said I’m not an economist so don’t pretend to know the answer, but just to leave things as they are, or to leave it until 23rd November to then publish a medium term plan, which is our chancellors solution, seems utter madness
Given what’s happening with the UK economy it would be good to hear something reassuring from either the PM or the Chancellor Or is that too much to expect ?
hey ho Ashton patience.. I sort of somewhat agree? or maybe just see where you are coming from ... take things at face value or believe what is said or the reasoning behind things. Patience not one of your virtues ! You have a income bills to pay so you budget whether consciously or not. say you had a difference [ drop ] in income and inflation was raising prices. You decided to to get a bit of paper and work out what to pay out on and things like what to cut down on or ................ might take anything from a couple minutes to maybe more than 30 mins. Imagine then income is various streams and not a constant but variable you have to account for dozens of things costing £bn's increase infra structure maintain services and you have to have time to do it! Everyone it seems says the way over the past 1-3 years wont hack it .. even your party leader agree's to some degree but they have now adopted the tory ways to explain what they would do in power. 8 WEEKS to put things together is not that long, your scibbles on a bit of paper in a few minutes couls readily be adopted maybe to a rob peter to Pay Paul ... Kwasi does his sums and they have to last for 6 month's before they camn be tweaked so needs to get it right. ON THE BOTTOM RUNG OF THE LADDER ALL SUCCESFULLY run households are economists ... you me and most on here do have some knowledge and make a success of it ....
Whilst working on something no point in getting into fervour of oh sorry we said last week.. but ........ now we say ............ etc
Question for you guys on this thread. Do you think it's right for Gary Neville to continue as a high profile football pundit/commentator with such influence over viewers now that he's publicly spoken at the Labour Party conference as a staunch supporter of Starmer for next Prime Minister?
"NHS He pledged to increase the NHS workforce under Labour; taking on an extra 7,500 medical students every year, doubling the number of district nurses, and offering 10,000 extra nursing placements." So what is so different about this to the tory party? Dosent mention the building or revamping of new hospitals so is not anything new.. in fact is sort of following Corbynns narrative of promise everything they say and anything anyone else says!!!!
"Housing He promised a new 70% home ownership target if Labour won power, with proposals to help first-time buyers get on the property ladder." TORES have always had home ownership as their housing aspect .. labour been more on council /social housing no mention of that !
It's not a questioned posed as to whether Neville is "crap" or not, it's the underlying influence anybody could have on his audience whether that were yielded deliberately or not. Nothing wrong with public figures having their own political opinions, but such a public demonstration speaking on stage at the Labour Party conference could be seen as inappropriate.
I think he’s an opinionated ex footballer who isn’t a very nice person to boot Although I’d like to give it my best shot
"Economy Starmer said the public must never forgive the Tories for "crashing" the pound and sought to style Labour as an economically responsible party." What a fractuos remark!.. last part .... and sought to style Labour as an economically responsible party." ! after decades of labour never being economically viable wants to follow in the 99.9% success rate of past tory achievements [ bear in mind the shock to the world is how Kwasi is attempting to get things right but an untested route it will have reprocussions ] I am of the opinion maybe not the right way to go but need to suck it and see! bit like what we have done with NP ... A DIFFERENT APPROACH... however jury has to be out as a couple bad results now and we could be in the relegation bottom 3!
He’s a private citizen and entitled to personal political views, many well known figures are known to support different political parties, I don’t see that anyone should be gagged from speaking their individual views. It’s up to voters to make their own judgments.
