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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. Iain

    Iain Well-Known Member

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    This is so true, however I honestly believe if Labour want to do anything at the next election they need to change leadership now.
    I know quite a few people that were Labour supporters but jumped ship under JC, lots voted tory at the last election, they will not vote tory at the next election, but they won't vote Labour either which I believe will play into the torys hands
     
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  2. Blond Bombshell

    Blond Bombshell Well-Known Member

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    We shall see. I don't believe the Tories will have a chance at the next election.
     
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  3. Sunderpitt

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    I personally have never met Mary Foy, however her office is in Fram, where my wife does some p/t work in another office. My wife reckons she is great, they make tea together in the shared kitchen.

    This goes to your point about the character/personality of our elected MPs.

    I generally support labour but I found Corbyn toxic. Starmer is the opposite, like the cartoon of a few days he is like Woody from Toy Story. Except I suspect he is clever and hard working (coming from his background to get where he got to DPP).

    Perhaps after Bonko and Truss, we need somebody boring who gets on with the job in an unfussy way...
     
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  4. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Liz Truss has listened to the electorate and produced measures to make them happy ...

    ... sadly her electorate is a tiny minority of the country and made up of retired old buffers in the Shires.
     
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  5. DH4

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    Whatever happened to "levelling up" by the way? Or was it just another catchphrase/buzzword/slogan of 3 words or less to fool the gullible with?
     
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  6. Flash Gordon

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    I wish you were correct, but I don't think you are. Unfortunately, politics is more about identity these days and people are more entrenched than ever.

    Take a look at the "red wall" Tories that helped them win the last election on social media etc. They're not condemning these awful politics. They're laughing at "woke" people for getting angry or joking that people got what they wanted by getting rid of Johnson.

    When things get really bad, they come out with "they're all as bad as each other".

    They're pretty ambivalent about the economic politics. They're more inclined to vote because of the identity politics, because they hate certain sections of society.
     
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  7. Flash Gordon

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    What ever happened to this country's refusal to believe in the "magic money tree"?
     
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  8. DH4

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    Sounds scarily like 1930's Germany
     
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  9. Gordon Armstrong

    Gordon Armstrong Just another S.A.F.C. fan Forum Moderator

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    I saw a homeless guy and I felt bad for him, so I did what I think any of us would do - I drove to a nearby affluent area, found the biggest, nicest house and put a tenner through their letter box. You mark my words . . . . before long that money will trickle down to the homeless guy.
     
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  10. Blond Bombshell

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    I read that and had the urge to put on "Holidays in the sun"...

     
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  11. The Norton Cat

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    You are both absolutely right. Political debate in this country, amongst both the general public and parliamentarians, is in an absolutely shocking state. The done thing now seems to be:

    - adopt a deeply entrenched, highly partisan position, often based on ill-informed prejudices, and refuse to listen to any other view point.

    -completely dismiss any kind of nuanced discussion or critical analysis.

    -pour scorn and vitriol on anything the perceived 'enemy' does without any kind of consideration that there may be some merit to what's being said or done.

    It's childish and pathetic, and it would be amusing if it wasn't so vitally important that people got down off their ideological high horses and started trying to find a consensus in order to move things forward.
     
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  12. DH4

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    This is more or less what the Tory spokesman said on BBC breakfast trying to justify the policy <laugh>
     
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    I wonder whose fault that is?
     
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  14. Blond Bombshell

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    I disagree with your first point, previously the parties would try and grab the centre ground, however, I now believe the tories appear to be moving to the Far Right?

    Another point I've mentioned previously is that The Liar tried to do away with politics based upon policy to a one base upon personality
     
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  15. The Norton Cat

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    I agree to some extent. Despite Labour making a move slightly more towards the centre ground under Starmer, the parties on the left are now very socialist. Perhaps in response to the rise of UKIP. In response to that, the Conservatives appear to be moving more towards the right. The chasm is growing as the two sides get further apart and I see one being the result of the other.

    But, as they get further apart, the refusal to listen to another point of view just gets stronger.
     
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  16. Smug in Boots

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    In a choice between socialist beliefs and far right I'd have to go for the former ...

    ... it just seems to have a little more conscience, although perhaps I'm just naive.
     
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  17. Sunderpitt

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    While there are elements of socialism or left wing policies that I agree wholeheartedly with, I think one of the things that turns me off left wing politics is how convinced the left are of their moral rectitude. There are lots of left wing policies (UBI for example) that I don't think are fair at all and both sides carry prejudices which make me think that I want nothing to do with them. And historically, if you go far enough in either direction on the spectrum, horrific things have been done in their name.

    I don't want to have make that choice, which is why I constantly appeal for the middle ground.
     
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  19. Smug in Boots

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    I'd rather have UBI than child poverty, food banks and desperation tbh.

    I know thousands would take advantage but it probably wouldn't add up to the billions some of Boris's mates made out of Covid.
     
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