1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Sporting Lisbon

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Sep 11, 2022.

  1. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    96,169
    Likes Received:
    55,661
    Their subs won the game. Ours sat on the bench.
     
    #121
  2. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2011
    Messages:
    69,583
    Likes Received:
    30,532
    In Bissouma's case, the likeliest explanation is he hasn't gotten up to speed with the tactics and patterns yet due to Covid messing up his pre-season - although the quickest way to get him up to speed is to have him get involved in games even if it's a cameo, which is a decision that is made easier if Hojbjerg or Bentancur are on bookings
     
    #122
  3. BobbyD

    BobbyD President

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2013
    Messages:
    22,073
    Likes Received:
    17,896
    I can confirm conte runs his players into yhe ground and doesnt really like to rotate too much.

    Still first 2 years of his reign should be fine. I woule start worrying next season
     
    #123
  4. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    25,207
    Likes Received:
    15,372
    Our problem was not in midfield, we had plenty of chances we just didn't take any of them.
     
    #124
    remembercolinlee likes this.
  5. Citizen Kane.

    Citizen Kane. Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2019
    Messages:
    11,248
    Likes Received:
    17,440
    I'm struggling to see what our tactics and patterns are at the minute, to be honest. Last season the plan was pretty straightforward: Use the CMs to move the ball wide or forwards pretty quickly, use the WBs to overlap the wide attackers and stretch the defensive line, then if the situation allowed for it, push one of Davies or Romero forward to join the attack and give us a man over. Kane would play across the line if the attacking phase was out wide, but would often drop deep into a 10 position if the phase was going through the middle - seeking out Son or Kulu playing off the shoulder or through the channels.

    I'm not seeing that this season, and I find it too convenient to blame everything on Kane and Son being out of form. The CMs seem to be turning into full-on box to box players expected to do all jobs at once; the WBs aren't overlapping the attackers properly, and there is no consistency to one of the CBs pressing forward. Nor for that matter does Kane seem to know where he is meant to be playing.

    I'm sure this will all resolve itself in time and especially so as players come back into form, but tactically I'm a tad confused at the moment and have been for much of the season.
     
    #125
    BrunelGunner and PleaseNotPoll like this.
  6. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    25,207
    Likes Received:
    15,372
    In my experience all top coaches are very conservative when it comes to introducing new players. It's almost a mark of the top man. It's natural for us fans to want to see the new players come into the game to make a difference. Kulusevski and Bentancur were the exception because Conte knew he was short of squad numbers. Having said that if you look at our schedule from now until the world cup it's very likely that most players will be used and if they make their mark like Richarlison and Perisic have done then they will get game time. let's be fair Bissouma has not set the world alight yet has he?
     
    #126

  7. Citizen Kane.

    Citizen Kane. Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2019
    Messages:
    11,248
    Likes Received:
    17,440
    He hasn't but if we're being brutally honest, whereas Hojbjerg's performances have been embellished by key contributions, Bentancur honestly looks like he's still on the beach. A faint echo of the player he was last season, so far.
     
    #127
  8. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    25,582
    Likes Received:
    27,513
    From what I’ve seen so far, it seems too much is asked of a two. It’s not as if there is one of the front three who naturally drops back to help out.
    I speak from having observed how Utd have been overrun in midfield in recent seasons. Great formation when dominant but not necessarily so if the opposition is strong in that area
     
    #128
  9. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2011
    Messages:
    41,055
    Likes Received:
    48,275
    Having played just 121 minutes for us so far it’ll be hard to set anything alight.
     
    #129
  10. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    25,207
    Likes Received:
    15,372
    Thats true
     
    #130
    remembercolinlee likes this.
  11. Left on the Shelf

    Left on the Shelf Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2019
    Messages:
    11,627
    Likes Received:
    13,234
    Together with the rest of them, it seems!<laugh>
     
    #131
    PleaseNotPoll likes this.
  12. BrunelGunner

    BrunelGunner Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2020
    Messages:
    5,028
    Likes Received:
    3,309
    Haven't read all the comments, but what was the reason you let Marcus Edwards go?

    Tonight's game aside, he is an absolute nightmare to play against. I know this all too well because, when he was at Vitoria a few years back, he absolutely terrorised us in both games during the Europa League group stages. I'm sure he destroyed us a few times at youth level, too. His speed and dribbling trouble any fullback. An absolute menace on the counter. Technically gifted. And he's a clear goal threat. Very useful player to have.

    I'm sure he'll be back in the Premier League at some point, even if it's not with you guys.
     
    #132
    Left on the Shelf likes this.
  13. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    96,169
    Likes Received:
    55,661
    He had attitude problems and was very unprofessional, according to various people.
    Pochettino said it in his autobiography and Farke said the same at Norwich.
    Turned up late a lot and had a problem with authority, by all accounts.

    He also switched agents and was running his contract down, so we sold him.
    The initial fee was low, but we kept a 50% sell-on clause, which has continued to Sporting.
    He's got a supposed €60m release clause now, so that would be a decent amount if he moved.
     
    #133
    Citizen Kane. and BrunelGunner like this.
  14. BrunelGunner

    BrunelGunner Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2020
    Messages:
    5,028
    Likes Received:
    3,309
    Yeah, that makes sense.

    I wonder if he’s sorted himself out now, as his career seems to be going in an upward trajectory. He’s clearly very loved by the Sporting fans after having only joined at the start of the year.

    Would be a shame for a player of his talent to ruin his career due to attitude, but wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened.
     
    #134
    PleaseNotPoll likes this.
  15. Citizen Kane.

    Citizen Kane. Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2019
    Messages:
    11,248
    Likes Received:
    17,440
    He obviously had a point to prove but he was a total handful. Surprisingly strong for a relatively small lad; even Dier bounced right off him at one point towards the end. His performance deserved a goal and that chance at the end of the first half made me realise why Poch compared him to Maradona.
     
    #135
  16. Spurlock

    Spurlock Homeboy Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2011
    Messages:
    74,730
    Likes Received:
    90,401
    Not having a classy CB to compliment Romero will screw with us time and time again this season
     
    #136
    KingHotspur likes this.
  17. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2011
    Messages:
    24,946
    Likes Received:
    31,156
    Skipp not ready because of his injury
    Bissouma not ready because he’s not up to speed on the Conte way (Conte’s words not mine)
    White - miles off the standard required
    Doherty- just as **** as Emerson
    Spence- not ready either
     
    #137
  18. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2011
    Messages:
    24,946
    Likes Received:
    31,156
    Yup

    We got told we were too greedy when we demanded one in the summer.

    Dier got hyped up because his performance level went from 4/10 to 6/10.

    Cheap option taken with Lenglet because the main target Bastoni wasn’t available.
     
    #138
    Spurlock likes this.
  19. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    96,169
    Likes Received:
    55,661
    He wouldn't have been ready anyway, apparently.
     
    #139
  20. Tilly'sowner

    Tilly'sowner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2012
    Messages:
    2,388
    Likes Received:
    1,760
    I think some of us are already aware of Conte's limitations as we do speak out against some of his decisions, or lack thereof! We know he's not perfect but as you say, maybe by next season we'll start becoming more vocal!
     
    #140

Share This Page