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  1. notDistantGreen

    notDistantGreen Well-Known Member

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    So what your saying is that a loving and righteous Christian god condemns to hell individuals who, although having lived blameless and perhaps even saintly lives, are born by pure chance into a geography or community where another religion dominates?

    Because if you are, it’s the biggest pile of self righteous **** in the known universe. A ****ing dIsgrace.
     
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  2. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I'm not saying any of that...but it's pointless me telling you that.....you've decided what is right and wrong.....and guess what side you've put me on......always being right must be a great gift for you and sensible.
     
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  3. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    There you go with the I'm being picked on card once more. You hang yourself everytime and there is no need for anyone else to do it. If you just want a quiet life then cut out the racist crap and leave the subject alone. It's quite simple.
     
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  4. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    This Elizabethan age has come to an end with the death of Queen Elizabeth 11 this afternoon.....a women who committed her whole life to serving her country.

    There will be changes to the calender in the next week or two......I assume there is a chance that Saturdays league program will be cancelled and maybe none before the State funeral in ten days or so.
     
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  5. notDistantGreen

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    I fear those who haven’t really thought through that the Queen’s devotion to her duty springs from a reverence for the monarchy, its history, traditions and rules aren’t going to take this well. While crying crocodile tears for the Queen, they’ll be insulting the very things she stood for.

    The key principle is that the Monarch’s eldest child takes the throne as a matter of right on their death Those who are dim enough to think Princess Diana was murdered seem to think they have a right to choose someone else. Someone from Love Island perhaps or have a phone in like Strictly.

    I despair of the British population. I really do.
     
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  6. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I personally would scrap the Monarchy altogether and none of them would inherit. I do however think that the late Queen put a lot into the job she inherited in a time when being a Monarch was a different beast and gave up a lot to do it. I have at least respect for her as a person. I have no respect for Charles or Camilla and that has nothing to do with theories about Diana. Times are different now and Monarchy is an outdated concept. The only good thing is it stops the possibility of President Boris.

    I really hope they don't cancell everything for the next god knows how long. My mother died and life went on. You cannot force people to mourn and it achieves nothing but total inconveneience for a load of other people. What about those who have travel arrangements for the weekend and accommodation paid for. What they just dip out and that's it? Sorry but life needs to go on and the Country cannot afford to be idle for days at the minute.
     
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  7. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The Monarchy will go on.....listening to all the people commenting on their feeling of loss that the Queen has died....scrapping the Monarchy would open up a tin of worms and the alternative is unthinkable.
    She committed her whole life to serving her country years before becoming Queen....in front of the nation and did not short change us in any way....whatever we think of Charles doesn't change anything....he became King the moment his mother drew her last breathe.
     
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  8. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The Monarchy will go on only as long as the people allow it to. I accept the Queen was a decent enough person and did a decent job of it. I DO NOT have to accept that Charles and his family are worthy of taking over and DO NOT have to agree with it. However, I do realise he will take the title and there is nothing I personally can do about it. I don't have to like it nor do I have to tug my forelock and bend my knee to him. As for people's comments well no shock people are saying kind words is there. What would you expect the PM of Canada for instance to say? "I hated the old trollop and am glad". Nah wouldn't happen and none of the top boys and girls will run her down. Do they truly care in private? Well we will never know. As for the can of worms I already said it stops President Boris happening and that for me is the only good thing about it still going.
     
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    its lively
     
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  10. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    On her 21st birthday she recognized the weight of history that was before her....with wisdom far beyond her years she accepted what laid before her...no matter if she lived a long or a short life.....as a country we could ask nothing more.

    It's a good job that there are amongst us still the odd royalist that support that a Monarchy is still more preferred than any other form of head of state....we might end up with a Putin type and end up with no opposition that isn't locked up for years for no crime at all.
     
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    We will see just how popular Charlie boy is and I will guarantee it isn't as popular as his mother was. He isn't generally liked by the masses and his wife certainly isn't. She made her speech in completely different times to the present day and people do not show such deference anymore and why should they. She did not do the job out of choice she got the job because somebody died like Charles has. She did it well enough but current day thinking won't be so forgiving of him if he steps out of line once and he is spoilt enough to think he's untouchable and might well do. I await the calls for scrapping the Monarchy in the not too distant future. Maybe not scrap but at the least put to one side as an irrelevance.
     
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    Plymborn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Maybe you should show some respect and wait until the Queen has been buried before starting your revolution against the monarchy.

    Have you got your knitting sorted out and made sure that the guillotine has been sharpened.... and reserved your front row seat for the main event.
     
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    Todays football has been postponed.....and the talk is that the weekends matches will also be called off in respect .....as the country goes into a time of mourning for Queen Elizabeth the Seconds death.
     
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    Charles is King and that’s that. The masses have nothing to do with it and neither does his private life. I’d rather have him any day than some washed up politician as president, still meddling in policy behind the scenes and costing just as much.

    In fact I rather hope he does put the PM under pressure in private as it’s rumoured the Queen did that toad Johnson when he prorogued Parliament to help force his disastrous Brexit on us.
     
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  15. sensiblegreeny

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    Ridiculous comment. It is not showing any lack of respect to say that one does not believe in a Monarchy just because somebody dies. I have acknowledge she did a reasonable job and I have also said that it is a good thing it stops a Presidency which I wouldn't support either. However, other Countries in the Western world have Presidents who easily get deposed periodically when elections take place. The Office of a President does not necessarily mean Despotic Government. I also beg to differ that it won't be the people who decide. They will eventually and the Sovereign State can only exist with the consent of the masses. Yes Charles is King and that is that but it is also an empty title with no real power so is irrelevant. I don't care what any of you say he is not popular and nor is Mrs King either. He will never attain the status of his Mother no matter how long he lives. If, and currently I accept it is a big if, the people get fed up with feeding the Firm then they will go as a kept lot. He may retain a title but people will refuse to pay for it. If the mood fets hot enough then Politicians will in the end do the deed whether they really want to or not. As we all know they will kill off anyone to preserve their own trough and status.

    I am also very pissed off that my Football has been cancelled for this Saturday. I cannot see how playing would be disrespectful to anyone and what purpose cancelling it serves. Those who want to sit around in black and beat themselves with barbed wire whips can do so and let the rest of us just get on with normal life . Think about it. Businesses are struggling now to survive and especially small ones. Cancelling everything in the hospitality sector for even more time will do nothing to help them at all. The amount of people who travel for matches and make a weekend of it are probably quite large. Cancelling it and having then to make it a Tuesday night replacement will affect Pubs, Transport, Hotels and small catering outlets at grounds. Probably other businesses that I haven't even thought of. How is that good at the moment for the sake of enforcing Mourning on the Nation?
     
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    notDistantGreen Well-Known Member

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    Nobody wants yet another politician, much less a washed up politician, living by grace and favour, pretending to be an ex politician but actually jury rigging the constitution to suit his or her political predilections in the guise of upholding the constitution.

    No to republicanism.
     
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  17. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I'm not supporting a call for a Republic notdistant. I am saying that the role of Monarch will eventually change when the masses get fed up with it and it will become a show status without financial support. I am totally against keeping a whole list of Royals who contribute nothing at all to the Country. Cut it down to just the one and it may survive even possibly two but as the list of them gets longer with breeding then I can't see it lasting if they don't cull the pay list. They shouldn't pay for has been Politicians either. If you lose your job you lose your pay in any other walk of life, apart from football that is.
     
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    It has been cut back hasn't it - to this concept of "working Royals"... notably it doesn't include Andrew or Harry & Megan Markle,
     
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  19. Plymborn

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    Charles had been all for streamlining the "frontline" of royalty......as notDistant as stated above there has been some "thinning" down naturally.....Harry opting out to keep her indoors happy is one....so sad to see how he has been used by the Markle woman for her climb to power and influence back in the States.....she must be fuming that Kate is still more popular amongst Americans.....suggesting they can see through the paper thin "stories" that she keeps sobbing about....hopefully Harry will come to his senses one day.

    Andrew has destroyed his own life getting mixed up with a known sex offender and falling into the trap of under age sex......claiming that "he didn't sweat".....boy oh boy wasn't he sweating in the end as he paid £millions to bury the story.

    Andrew and Harry had one thing in common.....they were both the "spare" regarding the top job.....and needed to prove their worth for living.

    Andrew has had to surrender all the trimmings that go with being a royal and is financially ruined.

    Harry who had the pick of the field regarding marriage....ended up with an American (does that sound familiar)...who was an actress (does that sound familiar as well)....a divorcee (does that sound familiar ?)....who had no idea what marrying into the royal family meant....her attitude towards her staff was appalling and her complaints about the royal family can be taken with a pinch of salt......Her "set up" show with Oprah Winfrey reeks of racism....the card the poor little Megan plays with the polished skill of being an actress.
     
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  20. sensiblegreeny

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    All the stories about Markel are naturally negative because that is exactly what the establishment want people to believe. Daily Mail readers lap it up. Lets blame it all on her as it's convenient. That says that Harry is a lap dog and doesn't have the brains to think for himself. He isn't really Royal anyway being the son of an Army Captain. Andrew isn't ruined financially. Does he now live in a Council House and on benefits? Does he sit under his blanket not being able to afford the heating or wonder where his next meal is coming from. Bullshit he does. He is still one of the chosen no matter what he has done and mugs like you and me have to pay to support it. The truth is he hasn't got the cash he once had but that is miles away from being skint.
     
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