Match Day Thread Hull City v Sheff Utd

[Plum]

At times I thought Ingram was thinking it was taking an unfair advantage to distribute the ball quickly and was giving the opposition time to organise themselves before sending the ball forward. Too often we then ended up two or three passes back before sending it forward to someone so wide they had few options when closed down other than to then find someone to pass it sideways or backwards with us ending up losing momentum.

I don't think Ingram's long distance distribution is reliable enough to give him the confidence to move the ball out quickly,even assuming someone's there to receive it.

 

[highpeak tiger]

We also never use guile in setting up to play from the back, but hitting a long ball or vice versa. When Ingram decides to hit it long he virtually sends a telegram to the opposition.

 

[armchairfan]

** the one exception being Don Robinson's squad investment in the 1980s - but the general horror of attending football at that time, with dozy twats scrapping every week and fans caged in like circus animals as a result, put many people off.

I was a child, I didn't feel any horror at home games.

 

[highpeak tiger]

We know Baxter is a better and quicker distributer of the ball. After Ingram's calamitous error for the first goal, I think it's time for a change.

 

[Howdentiger2]

We know Baxter is a better and quicker distributer of the ball. After Ingram's calamitous error for the first goal, I think it's time for a change.

If he does get dropped for 1 mistake after playing so well for 99.9% of the season , would you be happy to see Baxter dropped after 1 mistake if he'd been playing so well outside that mistake?

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

If he does get dropped for 1 mistake after playing so well for 99.9% of the season , would you be happy to see Baxter dropped after 1 mistake if he'd been playing so well outside that mistake?

I don't think you can drop Ingram for that. He has to be given the opportunity at least to put it behind him.

 

[NewcastleTiger]

At times I thought Ingram was thinking it was taking an unfair advantage to distribute the ball quickly and was giving the opposition time to organise themselves before sending the ball forward. Too often we then ended up two or three passes back before sending it forward to someone so wide they had few options when closed down other than to then find someone to pass it sideways or backwards with us ending up losing momentum.

Though the exact same. Held the ball for so long at times, I think back to Barnsley away last season how quick Baxter would pump the ball forward if he felt there was a chance.

 

[jhe10]

On occasions, Woods (in the first half) and Seri (in the second) were pointing to where they wanted the ball passed by the defenders but the defenders were too slow or too intimidated to make/attempt the pass. If we want to play that way all the defence (particularly Ingram) need to be MUCH quicker. The way we distribute is so slow, everyone is marked. I'm also not sure Jones & Figueredo are up to playing like that.

Yes, absolutely that. Our central defenders have ample opportunity to play forward early, but by the time they've thought about it the gap is closed or the player marked. They don't have enough confidence in their own passing.

 

[jhe10]

Of course shouting out racist comments is out of order but all this time, attention, sensationalism, media, air space etc for ONE idiot. Unfortunately it's now the crazy way of the world, to sensationalise and blow out of all proportion.
Meanwhile I see hundreds of :grown men' giving ****er signs and v's to any oppo player everytime I watch a game on TV. Utterly pathetic behaviour, with nothing said or done.
Clown world.

Utterly unbelievable. It's 2022, and you still think racist abuse is the same kind of thing as giving someone a v sign. Jesus.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Utterly unbelievable. It's 2022, and you still think racist abuse is the same kind of thing as giving someone a v sign. Jesus.

Where did I say that? I didn't. Nor did I imply it. I was making 2 points. And no religion ta

 

[johnbo]

Scouts of other clubs watch us, know we like to play it out of defence so closing us down quickly is the obvious answer, I thought on Saturday they pressed us well. It looked at times as though we never had a second on the ball before been closed down. On the other hand if we kick it forward we rarely win the header so that’s when the second ball is so important and that aggressive man in the middle is needed. We hardly got the ball off that big lad of theirs.

 

[Real ale tiger]

Yes, absolutely that. Our central defenders have ample opportunity to play forward early, but by the time they've thought about it the gap is closed or the player marked. They don't have enough confidence in their own passing.

I think its five at the back that's the problem . We still are letting in too many goals and the rest of the team are easily marked and isolated. So they pass it to each other in defence before the inevitable ball back to ingram.

 

[Plum]

Scouts of other clubs watch us, know we like to play it out of defence so closing us down quickly is the obvious answer, I thought on Saturday they pressed us well. It looked at times as though we never had a second on the ball before been closed down. On the other hand if we kick it forward we rarely win the header so that’s when the second ball is so important and that aggressive man in the middle is needed. We hardly got the ball off that big lad of theirs.

Competition doesn't need to bother with scouts, they can just come on here, plenty of folk posting what's wrong and how to beat us.

 

[highpeak tiger]

If he does get dropped for 1 mistake after playing so well for 99.9% of the season , would you be happy to see Baxter dropped after 1 mistake if he'd been playing so well outside that mistake?

Its not just the error, it's his distribution. At the moment we are putting ourselves under pressure at the back and confidence looks to be on the wane. So we change something or we stay the same. I'd also give Mcloughlin a go over Alfie Jones if you must play 5 at the back ( I think Alfie's better as a DM) or think about going to 4. But it's Shota's call.

 

[Kalman]

Every game we’ve been battered this season i.e. West Brom and QPR away and yesterday, the opposition in each of those games pressed us high up the pitch because they know how poor we are at playing out from the back. It’s an easy turnover of possession from the opponent’s perspective.

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

Every game we’ve been battered this season i.e. West Brom and QPR away and yesterday, the opposition in each of those games pressed us high up the pitch because they know how poor we are at playing out from the back. It’s an easy turnover of possession from the opponent’s perspective.

I think thats part of the strategy... to invite the press and then hopefully move it quickly forward... It actually worked twice yesterday and with the transfers I think we have people to take advantage of that.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

I think thats part of the strategy... to invite the press and then hopefully move it quickly forward... It actually worked twice yesterday and with the transfers I think we have people to take advantage of that.

Don't really think we can judge until we have a settled midfield - which we haven't had yet this season.

We need a better understanding of when to play out and when to go long - but that's not going to develop overnight, especially when forced into constant changes.

 

[PUDSEYTIGER2ND]

Yes, absolutely that. Our central defenders have ample opportunity to play forward early, but by the time they've thought about it the gap is closed or the player marked. They don't have enough confidence in their own passing.

Also what didn't help is every time we tried playing it out from the back almost every city player on the pitch stood still like a statue .

 

[WSTiger]

Simons could well become the bridge for that gap... In theory we wouldn't need anyone to do that if the whole team moved a bit more and made more effort to make themselves available when we've got the ball at the back. I felt sorry for Jones yesterday when there was nobody available and he took an age with the ball to avoid just hoofing it forwards.

Tetteh has been outstanding for me so far this season. Drops deep and manages to play it forward into space on most occasions.

Tufan looks very positive when he's played. Always looking to get behind or play others in behind.

Oscar is spectacular at holding it up and finishing half chances.

It's like the new players have gelled already... But only with each other. Tufan, Tetteh and Oscar have generated chances and goals between them despite poor possession and errors elsewhere in the team. It's the 'old guard' that seem to be struggling to play together for me and losing the ball with misplaced passes and poor touches.

Allahyar was great at dragging us up the pitch and giving the rest more space as well. Past couple of games we've not had much of that. They pressure us and then we lose out due to no passing options. Frustrating.

Seri is excellent but has a mistake in him when there's too much pressure.

4 at the back allows us that extra person further up the field. Another option to use positively... But then if we lose it we've even less cover.

It'll come good with more quality coming back in, but IF we can't keep the ball then it'll never change.

Sheffield Utd were well drilled and we aren't... That's the long and short of it. That result could have happened in any of our games this season so far and if it goes unsorted it'll happen again at some point. They capitalised on our errors and they didn't make mistakes themselves.

Re Oscar definitely spectacular I thought he was excellent in the first half especially shame he missed his chance at a a goal would have changed the game.

 

[eimaj]

So next game;

Ingram
Coyle McLoughlin Greaves Elder
Seri Simons Tufan
Pelkas Oscar Vale