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  1. Milk..

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    India has launched their own domestically built aircraft carrier now. Nice status symbol for a navy to have....even if an aircraft carrier is pretty much a sitting duck these days.

    Even though India hasn't really aligned itself much with the west, I think they're bound to be an important ally in the future as they continue to modernize. The world's largest democracy, their interests should align with our own on most issues. It's good to see them becoming a more capable military force.
     
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    I don't see America as 'our' though, I think they are bunch of shhites. The mess left behind in Afghanistan, now the mess in the Ukraine, something Biden was interfering in long before Putin come on the scene. And the last thing we need is India becoming some sort of Americanised world peacekeeper aka super power. Yes Putin is to blame for the invasion, but too often the West wants to poke people with a stick, one day someone is actually going to deal with us once for and all. Especially when people like Pelosi, can't keep her nose out of other people's foreign affairs or at least take appropriate action to calm things, rather than constantly going around like the big bear, I've not forgotten her support for Bush, yet wanted to lynch Trump, laughable. No wonder America is so divided, full of brain dead idiots through eating too many McDonalds.

    Yours sincerely
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    "Our" implies the collective "west" in that instance. Yes, America often gets into conflicts.it has no business being in, and Europe, especially UK, frequently blindly follow them, when they shouldn't.

    I don't think a single global superpower is a good thing, nor do I think superpowers from authoritarian regimes are a good thing. The sooner India steps up to being a peer of China, US, and EU on the global stage, the better. It will tip the balance of influence more in the direction of democracy. A democratic superpower in the form of Nigeria by the end of the century too. (Let's hope democratic).

    China worries me about Taiwan. They're getting more aggressive continually, and the US has a treaty signed with Taiwan to protect them. (And let's not kid ourselves, if America went to war with China, Europe would be pulled in, UK certainly would because for some inexplicable reason UK seems to always follow the US into war). If Russia is still in Ukraine by the time China gets the nerve to retake Taiwan... Proxy war in Ukraine could end and it will become a full war.
     
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    You've said it over a couple of posts now, Putin is the aggressor or wording to that affect, China is becoming more aggressive but every one of these has one common denominator, America!

    Maybe it's not Russia and China that are the problem, as some would argue it's not Palestinians that are the problem, another common denominator, America. Afhanistan, guess what, America! What happened in Vietnam, American's got their arses handed to them. Iraq, guess what?

    You've been in the states too long bro, their media has brain washed you.
     
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    Said it many times before.
    If Americans where brown and spoke a different language, we’d be absolutely terrified of them.
    But they invented Coca Cola and Friends, so we think we are alike.
     
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    100% Putin is at fault over Ukraine. Every nation has the right to pick their own rulers and have their own freedoms. Ukraine does not want to be part of Russia. Same with Taiwan with China.

    It gets a little muddier with some other wars. Iraq was misguided and Iraq didnt want the west there. Afghanistan, the Taliban are definitely twats, but other nations weren't invited there. Vietnam, the Vietnamese clearly saw America as an invading force and didnt want them.

    The US has been wrong in many wars. Ukraine, not at all, that is Putin. Taiwan too- for which the US has a diplomatic treaty to defend.

    No nation is always right or always wrong and I don't think it's right to say America is always in the wrong anymore than it is to say they're always im the right.

    I also definitely believe Israel is more at wrong over Palestine than the other way around
     
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    A large number of them are, they just don't have political power. Town I live in is probably 50% black, 25% Hispanic (who to a large degree speak Spanish at home and at work). I think there is only one other white family on my street.


    Overall in the US non Hispanic whites make up just over half. So almost half are not European-whites.

    Something like 20% of people don't speak English as their primary language.
     
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    Defo Americans to blame, Biden was intefering in the Ukraine long before Putin was even given a thought by the West. Biden was offering cash for 'selective' changes of leadership, so America was attempting to influence even if with good intentions, the democratic or undemocratic processes of the Ukraine after or even during the days of Gorbachev. In much the same way America dictate the democratic processes around Israel. It's all too easy to point the finger at Putin, without acknowledging past American inteference.
     
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    Russia was already in Ukraine before Biden took power.
     
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    Ross
    Rachel
    Monica
    Chandler
    Phoebe
    Joey
    All white.
    Ronald McDonald
    Super white!

    So I’m calling bullshit on your post bro.
    You probably live in Skegness.
     
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    Yes, but every member of the Cosby family was black. Not one of Bill's children was white.
     
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    See this demonstrates you don't know what you are talking about bro. Biden has history there, long, long before Putin, it was history I raised in the early days of the Russian invasion.
     
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    <laugh>
     
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    Russia attacks Moldova to take territory 1992
    Chechnya 1999.
    Georgia 2008
    Ukraine Crimea 2014
    Ukraine Donbas 2015
    Ukraine Again 2022


    And this period of expansion of Russia is all Biden's fault? There's a pattern here... And it is Russia trying to claw back what they lost.
     
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    I love the defensive American stance, they got you good bro. I've noted in your posts for sometime and yet we ban Russian media, just makes me laugh, it's so obvious. The West are the good guys, China, Russia blah blah blah are the bad people. You use to role play this with cowboys and indians, only trouble was you killed all the indians and robbed their land.
     
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    Here's an idea. Maybe some things America does are bad and some are good? Maybe something to consider... Same with other countries. <laugh>. You sound like Aber or Sisu with the assumption that anything that America has ever done is bad. Countries are a lot more complex than good and bad.

    America has done a lot of bad things over the years. Invading Ukraine is not one.
     
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    What business is the Ukraine of America's? I thought they wanted to cut back on the financial side of being the world protector, yet as soon has they pull out of Afghanistan, here they are. Biden takes office in January 2021, 12 months later, we have Putin invading the Ukraine, hmmm.
     
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    Putin has been in Ukraine for almost a decade now. He's just stepped up the war.

    I mean, fine, you can argue that no one else should get involved in Ukraine, it's between them and Russia. You could have said the same in WWII too, why not let Germany have lebensraum? Or many other wars... Why free Kuwait, what business was that of the US? Or why did France and Britain try to prevent Russia invading Ottoman Empire?


    There's rarely a black and white answer for when it's right or wrong, what would happen otherwise.

    Yes, Ukrainian people have the right to independence, but why anyone else's business? There is no way to know, would that have been enough for Putin. Would he keep steamrolling other small countries. There are several central Asian countries Russia used to rule, we probably wouldn't get involved it Russia took them out next (and they probably will)

    It's definitely a political game which nations get defended and which don't. Ukraine are white, democracy, have significant resources, produce a lot of food. I'm sure all factors that helped Ukraine get defended where Turkmenistan probably wouldn't be. More importantly, it's on the door with Europe. It's next to Moldova which is unfinished business with Russia and if Russia took Ukraine without a fight there are several Baltic countries which uses to be part of Russia that are now NATO that Putin could be tempted to take.

    Moldova's proximity to Ukraine worries me the most and Russia has unfinished business. Moldova is not NATO but Moldova and Romania see each other as one people.

    Ukraine is a dangerous war. Moldova would be so much more dangerous. If a Romanian General did something rash that could so easily spark a hot war with Russia against NATO. I've no doubt if Putin takes Ukraine, it's only a matter of time before they go after Moldova.
     
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    West Brom v Burnley on now.
     
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    That's Putin's fault too.
     
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