If we played in the Scottish Premiership we'd win the league with our current squad and probably without losing a game. I've always said that the FA Cup should welcome the Scottish league sides at round 1. I bet only Celtic and Rangers would make round 3 when the good sides enter. If a team like Sheff Utd entered the Scottish Cup they'd have an excellent chance of winning it. It's a poor league with two decent sized clubs that really need more competition to realise their true potential but the small minded mentality means they would never accept an invitation to an English league as they know that European football would soon be a distant memory. They are happy to sit up there hoping to qualify for a CL group which might include a big English club or a Barcelona.
So in the history of European club competitions, WE have won 2 trophies. During that same period Scottish clubs have won 3 trophies. That's not a bad record when comparing one club to the whole football league of another country, especially when you consider that WE don't get automatic entry into any of the European Competitions every year
The first ever British team to win the European Cup was Celtic, in 1967. The whole team was born within 30 miles of their stadium & has never been matched. Nor will it. Scottish teams I really don't want to get embroiled in this, as it's no big deal to me. The silliest point you make is about their "small minded mentality ... distant memory". WRONG!! Moves have been made over the years, but it's the eFA who have rejected the notion. The following sentence is a nonsense too. Both Rangers & Celtic have tanked us, for instance, & I do not have the confidence to say that it wouldn't happen again. Rangers & Celtic do ok for themselves in Europe. Remember their budget compared to even us & you realise it's astonishing their achievements.
So we're manipulating figures, are we? Failing to mention that england's population is approx 10x that of Scotland. Does that mean that english clubs should have won 30 trophies in that spell? Have they? I think we know the answer. Then there's these 3 Scottish teams. We've never played Aberdeen. Celtic have beaten us 3 times, but never lost to us. Rangers have lost 2 times to us, beating us only the once. Rubbish, eh? (I should add that I fall on the side of Leeds in revealing these pathetic stats. I do not on the next one ...) ... which is that even Partick Thistle have a 100% win record over us. And they ARE a pub team, since the days of yore.
WJ you compared Scottish clubs to Leeds United. Thus I responded on the basis of comparing Leeds to Scotland. I never manipulated any figures, I based my figures on what the discussion about, I have absolutely no interest in what any other club's record in European Club Competitions is, be they English, Hungarian, Bosnian and Herzogovian or anywhere else I'm not sure what population has to do with anything though, because how greater is the population in Scotland when compared to the City of Leeds. Does that make OUR clubs achievements even better than they are given Leeds has a significant lower population . Of course it doesn't because you will rightly say that we signed players from outside of Leeds, outside of England, outside of Great Britain, even outside of the continent of Europe From what I recall we have played Rangers 4 times, lost twice, drawn once and won once, the goal difference for those 4 games is we scored 4 and we conceded 4, so its not as if we got "TANKED" in those games we lost now is it Again I can recall 2 defeats against Celtic, being 1-0 and 2-1, so both narrow victories or defeats depending on which hat you want to wear in this discussion, but again hardly what I would call a "TANKING". I'm happy to take your word that we have played Celtic in a third official competitive game without the need for any evidence, I'm happy to admit I don't recall that game However just to answer the first point, of the three major European competitions, English clubs have won 35 of them , so they have actually won more than you stated should be expected with the population difference 14 European Cups/Champions Leagues 13 Uefa/Europa/Inter City Fairs Cups 8 Cup Winners Cups
I actually reversed the Rangers stats, I've realised. And to my own detriment, I might add. You've forgotten one Celtic game - they TANKED us 4-1. Trauma forced you to forget? LOL. Tanked is actually fairly accurate from where I'm standing. It's a description that fits when a 'pub team' beats you against the whole of england's expectations. Being beaten 6-2 or 5-1 by scum is not them tanking us, as such, as most of us know our lowly status against the top 6. Now if we beat them 1-0, I don't know about you, but as far as I'm concerned, we tanked them! Mainly because we did it against the majority public view that we had no chance. Sadly, they're normally right, which brings the added joy when we win. Btw, whilst we're here, is 'tanked' still an expression people use? I've used it for 60 years or so, often, sadly, being a Jags fan.
As I said I'll take your word on the third Celtic game, if you say it happened I'm happy to believe you, its just not mentioned here https://www.11v11.com/teams/leeds-united/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Celtic/ So I would say I didnt forget about it, I dont know about it, I had to look up the history between the two clubs even though I knew we had played them in the European Cup Tanked means well beaten as far as I am concerned. Thus when Chester beat Revie's Leeds 3-0 we got tanked. When Chester beat Eddie Grays Leeds team in 1983, they deserved the win and rode their luck. I accept that you have a different definition of tanked though
As LDS posted, Celtic beat us 4-1 for Gary Kelly's testimonial. The funniest thing about it was that we got chucked out of the ESU to accommodate them, as hordes were expected. I reckon these was only 2-3 thousand turned up. Not that you'd think that if you shut your eyes. Bloody loud.
Celtic and Rangers would benefit massively if they entered the English League. They would have the money and resources to become huge clubs. The fact they play in a league that nobody really cares about actually limits their potential to win European trophies regularly. They don't play competitive games often enough and if they did I don't think the current squads would hold up to the intensity down here. They do punch above their weight in Europe but only because they can truly focus on those European games knowing they will win at 70% the following Saturday. They wouldn't cope playing down here in the short term. Long term I think they would thrive. It would leave the Scottish league in tatters though but more enjoyable as anyone could win it.
Yes, but they can’t just join the English league, its not an invitational. They would have to start at the lowest non-league level and work their way up.
Like you have stated ten league games in they would be fooked in my opinion. They would be burnt out by xmas and at the bottom.
I don't can you imagine the state of our cities as ten thousand without tickets descend for a booze up.
