Simple mate, I don’t want to live in a country with a population of 500,000,000 and believe it or not, even in your fantasy world I don’t think you want to either
Like I’ve said before on here I’ve had black lads living with me, are you going to invite them to live with you? If not you strike me as being xenophobic.
Just because I have different values it doesn’t make it fantasy. I’ve said there needs to be things done to manage resources so so t just be a dick. It doesn’t mean I can’t respect the human beings involved. Dehumanising people belongs in fascism
Answer the question mate are some of them coming to live with you ( I’ve had my share ) or are you xenophobic? Doesn’t feel so great now getting called that does it. So are you?
What a stupid thing to say. You know nowt about me. I’m not getting in to childlike point scoring but I’d do just fine thank you very much including who I’ve shared businesses and homes with. Being honest though I do think you and a few other on here are xenophobic - that’s different from racist. By not caring about uk people travelling for work but not thinking African or Asians can travel for it I think that indicates a fear of foreigners. I also think probably some on this thread have religious hatred but are hiding it - ie Islam- they don’t want Muslim ms bluntly and some is about race ie Ukrainians are ok but Somalis and afghans are not cos they’re European and the right colour. I just don’t think people are being honest about it, maybe even with themselves.
You've made plenty of valid points there mate and not gone down the racist route, so no-one would accuse you of that. The main problem with your argument, is that our government closes off a lot of the official channels to do this honestly and properly because it wants to keep certain people happy, so immigrants then end up taking the more dangerous and risky routes through criminals. It's then hardened rhetoric against those people coming in illegally is then lapped up by a certain section of society, who do not want to compromise or discuss anything. The point of resources is the one that we should all be discussing. How many people can we help, how should we disperse them among the population and what efforts can we make to get them working and providing for themselves? Do we have enough doctors, schools in the area etc. or do we need to slow entry down until we have the correct infrastructure in place. They're all relevant points and the complex conversations that we should be having. But instead, we end up with people arguing that anyone on a boat should be sent to Rwanda and that they're lesser men than Brits and so can't be trusted. The whole "lefty" and "woke" labels are exactly the same as the "racist" label. It's a fake culture war that distracts from important decisions being made.
Spot on mate. For me on a person centred level, if we can’t meet their needs we need to manage it. If a person travels through all the risk and danger and leave their family etc and they end up hungry, lonely, ill because we can’t provide them with what they need it sad. So we have to manage it.
After reading that I suggest you aren’t all there. Love calling everyone xenophobic but as soon as you get called out for being xenophobic yourself you come up with pathetic excuses.No African or Asians travelling for work here here anyway goodbye I’m not speaking to xenophobics as your mate says, vile.
What a tit . I’ve got a three bed terraced house with me in one and my adult kids in the other two rooms. I haven’t even got a garden for a tent or shed. I’m going to smash my house up because it’s xenophobic not being big enough to allow me some of the foreigners Rooch wants to send me. Get a grip of yourself man you crazy fool
I totally agree with you. The problem is that we've now totally fallen out with France so they're not inclined to help us. It's obviously in their interests to allow migrants out of Northern France while trying to stop more coming across their land borders. The UK has a massive advantage, being an island, but we've thrown away any meaningful cooperation from Europe and failed to secure our borders. France has half a dozen, or more, bordering countries plus thousands of miles of coastline so they're a sitting duck ... ... we should be doing much better but our borders are underfunded and ineffective. Patel and Johnson tub-thumping isn't a deterrent to anyone tbh.
@Pure River Slut Good post. It's a viscous circle were resources are concerned. We spend an awful lot of money on resources to accommodate and rescue those who enter illegally, that money maybe better spent else where , in the system. Once the system is in place we may be in a position to take these nomadic people and place them in the system. A report this week said we are spending over £1m a day on boat people in hotels. £365m a year and that is without all the other resources that are in place for their arrival. Thus the viscous circle. l am surprised anyone would want to be in government.
Aye it is complicated. Have to be honest though I’m of the opinion that there is sufficient money in the bank accounts and dividends of shocking wealthy people to get the system right, get the poverty sorted here and help with aid. The trouble is we elect the government of millionaires here and oversea people like Trump and they aren’t going to give any power away. Voters are as thick as ****e.
I am sorry you should feel that way about the British electorate, it is about opinions, instincts and what's best for you and yours, maybe l am lucky as l can observe read and take note at election time and make a judgement base on that and certainly not afraid to jump camp. As for Trump, he has no bearing on me, but his decisions may have an impact on my country. I will also say if my boss has no money, l won't see any of it and as my dear old mam would say " money is made round too go round.
Some of us have long memories and some on here aren’t old enough to remember. But I agree something is needed.
Rooch, I am 68 with a very long memory. I have been involved with Trades Unions for my entire working life. I was a Shop Steward in heavy engineering and negotiated with management and the CBI on many occasions, I have also seen the other side and as a manager I have led negotiations with Unions. I can honestly say now that I advised all of my newly employed staff as well as my children when they started work, to join a Union at their first opportunity. I understand the bad press the Unions got in the seventies but much of that was the Murdoch empire pulling the political strings and telling us what we should believe. The red tops always reported the lightening strikes that made Unions look bad but never reported the things that Unions did that were good. I completely accept that some of the actions unions were responsible for were a disgrace but in my opinion the good that they have done far outweighs the actions of a minority of trouble makers.
Well I nearly agree but my problem is it swings from one end to the other and never stops in the middle, at the moment it’s the greedy bastards at the top whose winning ( by the way I was a union member ) but I remember like you when the country was bankrupt and if things hadn’t changed where would we be now? The answer to that is obvious, stuck with the greedy bastards. I believe something needs to happen, but powerful unions, no I’ll give them a miss.
