I went on a day trip in 1985 but didn't get off, just sat in Boulogne harbour for a couple of hours. A Sun one pound ticket.
The West has already spent billions on a war that can't be won . The tactic is to use the poor Ukrainian prople as a proxy army to slightly weaken Russia until the last Ukrainian dies . Zelenskyy is happy to take our money , the Chinese haven't sent a penny but he's invited them to rebuild the country . Hoovering up the lucrative contracts paid for by USA and other mugs. https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022...g-for-talks-invites-china-to-rebuild-ukraine/ Much like the trillions spent on Afghanistan building their infrastructure and arming the Taliban to the teeth . The Chinese slipped in after USA withdrew to mine the trillions of dollars of rare minerals .
As I mentioned, I get all of that, but none if it is an excuse to leave the Ukrainians to be invaded in my view.
The first sensible opinion Dunc has had. Our old timers will freeze to support a country full of Nazi supporters.
We should have used our collective solidarity to get both parties to sit down and negotiate early on like Russia have suggested throughout. Tens of thousands of Russian speakers have been bombed and murdered since the CIA regime change in 2014. The Azov Nazis seen wearing US uniforms trained and funded by the US and UK . Told Zelenskyy that if he negotiates with Russia they will kill him themselves. Nato are in charge and they won't let him negotiate either . Bringing in Sweden and Finland and putting US missile bases on the Russian border will just make things worse. .I feel desperately sorry for the Ukrainian people but their leaders sold them out to the devil years ago as a money laundering toy for Globalist corruption . The Bidens are up to their necks in dodgy energy companies, biolabs , drugs and prostitution out there so completely compromised.
Again, I don't disagree with much if any of that, but sadly that's not where we currently are, for whatever reason. That's why I posted what I did, and I believe supporting the people of Ukraine is the right thing to do at this point in time, no matter what the background to it all is. I would hope (but don't expect) that lessons would be learned.
Here's a question on my position above, that I don't have a meaningful answer for. Given I support helping Ukraine, why isn't similar support offered to other war torn regions?
Using tax payers money to buy even more weapons to kill Russians is just pouring petrol on a dumpster fire . They need to negotiate a break away region and draw up new lines . There must be assurances that Nato doesn't plonk missile bases In Sweden and Finland pointed at Russia either. Or that will probably spark another set of conflicts. It's like China putting a missile base in Mexico pointing at Washington. Cuba all over again
That only works if you accept Russia's claims over the disputed regions, which many do not. It also leaves Russia with better stepping off points once they've regrouped, which they have said is an aim. It also requires a cesaefire, which again, is very unlikely to happen, given the issues have been going on for many, many years.
Nato was set up to keep Russia in check and expand right up to it's doorstep through EUROPEAN UNION membership. We paid the price by giving Eastern Europeans access to our country with all the free **** that entails. Romania and Lithuania should have never been invited in but they agreed to putting US missile bases on their land. Now we're flooded with gypsies.
I remember Iran was accused of arming Iraqis and Syrians when we were out there stealing oil and regime changing . This was a heinous crime punishable by retaliation. Liz Truss and Bojo sending weapons to Ukraine has put a massive target on our backs . Most of it just piss and wind to try and boost their popularity
Yup, but none of that is a reason to leave the Ukrainians less able to defend themselves. There'll be a payback when it comes to the rebuilding and access to their natural resources and grain etc.
If our leaders wanted it to end they would force negotiations. Nato are fighting a proxy war and don't care how many prople die if it weakens Russia. Unfortunately the sanctions are destroying Europe because they are reliant on Russia for energy and fertiliser. Russia can sell it to China and India . They now have BRICS and took over the US as the reserve currency. The West is paying to starve itself in the pursuit of rainbow flags and carbon Zero. Russia have already won due to the arrogance and stupidity of the Biden regime and the EUROPEAN UNION
We won't see any benefit. The tax payers give money to the arms manufacturers and money launderers any contracts to rebuild will be given to private companies. War is the biggest scam going
