For the sake of debate, let's say the same as the purported cost of a "heat pump" : 10K. "and what water will it save?" For a family of 4 in my parish : 1. water collection from rain water = enough for at least 2 toilet flushes per day. So 2 x 16 = 32 litres. 2. "grey" water from showers : ~10 litres. So 4 x 10 = 40 litres. So 72 litres per household per day. Assume a million households : 72 million litres per day. If you : 1. gather "grey" water from laundry machines, you draw even less 2. use a "compostable" toilet, then you draw no water for toilets 3. don't want 2, then you could go "days of yore" and use a "commode" style toilet caddy, and dump the effluent down a hatch in your toilet "down" pipe. "Why would I gladly pay the cost?" Do you not care about "global warming" ?? Do you not want to make an investment "for decades to come" ??[
Quoting the same Mail article as Dorries. Hmm... Quite amusing that he's calling everyone involved enemies of Boris, though. Seven MPs, four of which are Tories. Who would he prefer? Someone that Boris made a lord after he flopped in another election, perhaps?
I don't think that there's any allegedly about it, to be honest. His mother was Irish, so he's either an Irish citizen or qualifies to be one. If she was born in Ireland then it's automatic and if she was born elsewhere then there's a process.
RDBD: 1. water collection from rain water = enough for at least 2 toilet flushes per day. So 2 x 16 = 32 litres. 16 litres per flush? - not from modern toilets with dual flush systems using less than 3 litres. 2. "grey" water from showers : ~10 litres. So 4 x 10 = 40 litres. 2 Easier and no cost to use bath or washing up water as your grey water So 72 litres per household per day. Assume a million households : 72 million litres per day. A drop in the ocean then - as the UK is forecast to need an extra 3.6 BILLION litres per day. (Grantham Centre) "Why would I gladly pay the cost?"- of YOUR proposed miniscule savings. Do you not care about "global warming" ?? _ yes very much so which is why I advocate building desalination plants which will be a proper solution as opposed to tackling the 4% household use on which you are focussed. Agriculture uses 20 times the amount of water per head than household use so a 5% improvement in farming methods and efficient use would save more than the entire consumption of households. Why is your attention on the micro not the macro useage? Ultimately though we are on the same side. We both want better water supply. The difference is I would do (and indeed already actually do) much of what you suggest - low flush systems, use of water butts, grey water etc etc. I also expect water companies to improve leak management. However I recognise that the water problem is far far greater than the solutions proposed by you. Did you know that for the cost of the Commonwealth Games we could have built 3 desalination plants on existing technology to provide water for 3 million people. With advanced technology and renewable energy to power them there is a real possibility that the UK could solve its water problem
Just because it's another water wastage story and it's not far from me: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-62463771 Walked past this place after the game on Saturday to meet some mates. Now it's an outdoor swimming pool, judging by the pictures. Ridiculous.
How many toilets are "modern" ?? The one in my house is at worst 15 yrs old. The one in my parents house is 40 odd years old. That means replacement. And replacement means costs ... > 2. "grey" water from showers : ~10 litres. > So 4 x 10 = 40 litres. "2 Easier and no cost to use bath or washing up water as your grey water" Add that to the cost of putting in a "modern" toilet. At current material + labour costs, how close are you now to 10K ?? > Assume a million households : 72 million litres per day. "A drop in the ocean then - as the UK is forecast to need an extra 3.6 BILLION litres per day. (Grantham Centre)" Alfie Conn suggested 3 billion litres lost per day due to leaks. I consider "act locally" to relieve 2% of that loss, to be a price worth paying. "Why would I gladly pay the cost?"- of YOUR proposed miniscule savings." See above. >Do you not care about "global warming" ?? "yes very much so which is why I advocate building desalination plants which will be a proper solution as opposed to tackling the 4% household use on which you are focussed." The CAPEX/OPEX costs for desalination are found wanting. The biggie being that the water transportation costs from the coast inland to where the water is actually needed (agricultural/residential sites) . "Agriculture uses 20 times the amount of water per head than household use so a 5% improvement in farming methods and efficient use would save more than the entire consumption of households." And what % of the costs of desalination plants would be incurred by such improvement in methods ?? I assume the complexity of such improvements is at least one order of magnitude below the construction of a desalination plant (I expect it to be much more) . "Why is your attention on the micro not the macro useage?" The "low hanging" fruit is always easier and cheaper to pick (ie the ROI is typically far more immediate than "grand challenge" proposals) .
Oh.. This could get interesting! €50m down and possibly now inadvertently providing the evidence to help bury Trump. He's gonna be soooo popular with the Former Ones base!
