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Is the world at a dangerous crossroad?

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  1. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker Staff Member

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    Defence of Ukraine
    Ukraine government organization
    When seek shelter abroad saving their children from the horrors of war, the two things that surprise them the most are the absence of explosions&sirens... and civilian planes flying peacefully in the skies. We will definitely win. The sky over our land will be peaceful again!


    John I thought this would be of interest to you..
    2 hours ago19:09 Francesca Edwards
    Image shows no planes fly over Ukraine
    Ukraine's ministry of defence has shared a striking image showing no planes flying over the country.





     
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  2. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    yep , it is hard to believe that there are so many planes flying across EUROPE, you can add to that maybe 1000 military and those on the ground about to take off are not included when I switch my programme on it states somewhere around 17,000 + planes in the air world wide with transponders on
    there may be a filter on it [ your prog: ] that shows the military only ones .. most Russia and its friendly states do not show any military transponders some sites show complete transponder trails
     
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  3. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    So, the Russians and Ukrainians sign a treaty allowing supplies of grain to be exported - then promptly bomb the shipyards where the grain ships are.
    There seems little point in negotiating with them.
     
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  4. invermeremike

    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    On a similar subject I just can't understand the logic behind taking over land that you have totally destroyed. Basically the Russian plan appears to be focused only on destroying civilian ability to live because as we have witnessed that is what the target is and to hell with what the real world thinks of their actions. The look on the bastard's face who signed the treaty on behalf of Putin just about said all I wanted to see and that was as you said bcfcred that they would violate the deal at every opportunity. Putin and his cronies will never get the message and I hope when this is all done and dusted that Russia is never allowed back into any kind of world acceptance for almost eternity and they can go off and live their lives in unison with all the other rogue nations that threaten world peace. At some point there is always the possibility that the line of potential deeper conflict will be crossed and I wonder what reaction will follow based on historical examples of us all looking the other away?
     
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  5. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    you have to wonder if the missile attack on Odessa is a cover to cover up the amount of grain the ruskies have stolen from other ports.
    LITHUANIA HAS STARTED TO ALLOW russian trains to travel into Kaliningrad with cement and fertilizers ! Hopefully they check trains going the other way .... to make sure not sanction busting ..... The P8's in full view along with the command centre AWACS that were in N SEA were following 2 russian subs ... 1 an attack class the other missile carrier there is very little hiding place for these subs nowa days super sensitive sonar etc on the P8's who are fully armed and I guess with a fighter escort to complement their defence armament ... they are armed with anti submarine torpedo's ....
    OVER THE FLAT LANDS of Ukraine pilots fly at less than 50 feet @ 500 mph! avoids radar .... probably not quite as low .....
    wonder who the european customers are that have had their steel pre paid and was awaiting trans port that the Putrid thieving pea nussis have stolen and sent to Africa!
     
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    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    This takes vileness to a whole new level.
    Let’s hope the video actually helps to identify and catch the scumbags


    Russian troops 'film themselves castrating a Ukrainian POW'


    https://mol.im/a/11060911
     
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  7. invermeremike

    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    These atrocities are the standard in the Russian military and they will continue until someone, other than Ukraine, takes action to defeat them. Lavrov is now touting for companions in his war crime ridden attempt to permanently destroy Ukraine by visiting African countries where Russia has probably supplied arms for them in their various civil wars. What a shame nobody has shot his plane down to kill him and other cronies, plus I think it's time to blow the subs out of the water before they fire another missile into the killing fields. We all know the potential terrors involved in fighting back but we are slowly heading down the road to anarchy if the good part of the world allows Putin to continue and I think it's also time to arm Ukraine with weaponry that can reach deep into Russia to hit them hard where it will really hurt. Logic and Putin are not in the same universe because as we have already witnessed he is capable of anything diabolical and beyond and so the longer we allow this to continue the stakes will get higher and our resolve severely tested. Based on what went on at the football match in Turkey yesterday my thoughts that we must never rely on them for support when push comes to shove is now even more solid.

    Hoping for some reasonable resolution to the problem is being very optimistic but if that should happen we must never allow Russia back into our society to make them pay dearly for their war crimes. Any country that has supported Russia in any way must also be excluded from normal society even if we also have to pay dearly for those sanctions, but unless we set up our stall and it's rules right now we stand to be treated the same as Ukraine. Whether we know it or not we are seeing the separation of the world into democracy and autocracy right before our eyes and China hasn't really shown what horrors it could potentially inflict on the rest of us yet but we know what goes on behind their closed doors. During my visit to China a few years ago I saw a country cloaked in pollution and questionable goings on backed by men in black suits standing, slightly hidden, watching every interaction between their citizens and tourists at all locations. Thankfully my time is limited but I fear for the world of my granddaughters and their children because once democracy is destroyed we could morph towards 1984.

    The world is truly at those crossroads mentioned in my original thread and we must not let the killers determine where we go from here. Kill or be killed maybe the next big decision and we just have to hope our leaders are up to the task and will take the right direction.
     
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  8. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    china is a distinct 2 halves [ and the middle bit a foot in both camps ... the almost outs to the almost in's who feast on subway burger king ETC ] .. the have and the have not whilst the peasants ..the vast majority OF POPULATION will have a slap up meal of rice and boiled chickens feet and entrails those at the top enjoy a 5 or 6 course meal...Champers rice wine and Beluga!

    A couple [ few ] years ago I bought a jar of SPICED gherkins [ about 3 litre jar ] in massive supermarket about 10 miles from Calais, used to do fresh food shop and buy a few other "continental items " on this occassion when I got home checked the jar because label subtly different ... it said produce Chine! .. I checked the other 2 jars [one I stored the vinegar in other almost empty ] both said produce of Poland!!! i did an experiment marked 2 plates added a gherkin from both had them "shuffled" 4 times , each time took a bite and turned the cover over the letter, and to boot I was blindfolded between each bite ate a lettuce leaf! The person shuffling changed the letter each time on the plates and noted the difference on paper she had the master "code" I wrote down something like A A B A .... IT WAS POLAND ALL 4 TIMES.
    I did a check before covid .. 17 food items from Tesco main shop came from CHINE/ CHINA... In Lidl/Aldi mini shops/ odd items food items found 3 Centre aisle stuff loads ....
    we are so dependant on china now that if they stopped sending us goods we would be helpless especially tech wise! USA has the best plan ... made a statement that the day of the cheap throwaway is passing get ready for home manufactured goods costing less /no human slavery ................. we should do the same did an article yonks ago comparing cheap option Chinese v home country manufactured .. 3 chinese replacements v 1 home country made saving of over 50% of the cost! over 2 years+
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    well finally got feed back from a "friend" in Ukraine so far him and 3 mates have been helping out..... ! [possibly not on front line?] but in the mix!
    It all seems to be going asquew .. with Russians using a un maintained [ largest in Europe ] nuclear power station as a army base HQ for troops and weapons /ammo dump! Accuseing USA of guiding the HIMARS artillery ... [ well good on them ].. have rebuilt the crossing at KHERSON with pontoons .. would assume this stops ships unless they can detach them?....
    GAZPROM REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE TURBINE THEY WANTED REAIRED ... this will cause a lack of gas to be available? a feeble excuse and a political manouvering to bargain against sanctions?
     
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    John, what was an Osprey doing flying over Newport this evening? Mrs Ashton was very impressed.
     
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    quite a sight are they not ... either the bird or the plane!!!! I was alone in the mountains of NW SCOTLAND looking down a valley when I heard this noise across my field of view was this " spaceinvader" type aircraft not flying excessively fast almost gave me a heart attack .. was not monitoring site at that time but they do show up occassionally [ maybe 6 times this year ] 2 over Europe and 3 or 4 in UK
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    LOADS OF ACTIVITY around RAF Shrewsbury .. heli copters ... USA fighters NWales coast ..AWACS COMMAND plane in North sea off Newcastle [ [400nm+] another off the Wash.. AWAC'S COMMAND CENTRE off coast of Romania
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    ON THE GROUND in Prague!!!
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    Russia
    DB flags:
    military
    Type:SU57
    SUKHOI Su-57
    Type Desc.:L2J

    cantspot any strato tankers!
     
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    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    Are you saying that there is a Russian plane on the ground in Prague???? I have no idea what DB flags mean either but it looks interesting.
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    this is not the first time a russian military plane has appeared over EASTERN EUROPE and I believe one flew to Switzerland at a very slow speed??? deserters?
     
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    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    Would be nice to see if it were true because something has to break for this untenable and worthless invasion to be curtailed. Humanity needs a reality check after some of the most brutal atrocities recorded in recent times, or at least the ones we know about.
     
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    a few titbits of information regarding Russian technology! EU / WEST has been gathering a lot of info on how Russia employs western Tech, both the 2 for definite RUSSIAN SU's have finished up showing a transponder reading the first one travelling at low height ad slow speed ... being transported? and second one I noted was on the ground .. both could be just parts of the planes maybe crash landed in UKRAINE ?? also a good deal of most of their weaponry guns missiles etc are apparently in "friendly hands and under analysis!
    AWACS and command centre planes are over the Black sea but mostly without transponders on .. strato tankers seem to be in "cloak mode?" also at least 3 NATO awacs active .
    Lebanon has refused the cargo of grain .... wonder if they bought some of the stolen Russian stuff... now looking for a new buyer for 28,000t ? .. wheat?
    Apparently if they do not get what they want Russia will use nuclear armaments each war head has a 2 mile impact range! that seems rather cynical the source advertising that!

    Problem is Russia is a UN veto holder .... so any action against them can be veto'd!!!!!

    Russian forces occupying the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant have turned the site into a military base to launch attacks against Ukrainian positions, the head of Ukraine's nuclear power company says.

    This is foolhardy in the least, Russian artillery and rocket launchers are hardly perfect ... if their comments on we do not target civilians is is to be believed!!!!... ! 1 MISFIRE or stray shell rocket could be worse than Chernobyl ... RUSSIA STATES UKRAINE is shelling it and has caused the damage ............ well ........

    Mr Kotin, who heads Enerhoatom, said 500 Russian soldiers were at the plant, and that they had positioned rocket launchers in the area, claims that cannot be independently verified.
    "They [Russian forces] use it [the power plant] like a shield against the Ukrainian forces, because nobody from Ukraine is going to do something," Mr Kotin said.
    "The Ukrainian Armed Forces know that these are Ukrainian personnel and this is a Ukrainian plant and there are Ukrainian people [there] so we aren't going to kill our people, our staff and damage our infrastructure."
     
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    the Osprey is currently giving holiday makers along the jurrasic coast a treat but moreso toward Brighton
     
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    busy day over europe stratotanker refuelling nato41 ... GUARDRAIL awacs type guarding LITHUANIA Kaliningrad border to Belarus .. Drone over Black sea gone dark .. loads of training flights over KU and fighter training/sparring..
    Estonia just cancelled all Russian visa's with statement " the Russian public must now know the extent of the atrocities being carried out by Putrid" Other Baltic countries doing similar. over 20,000 [ maybe a bit high? ] Russians cut short holiday in favouritre area "crimea" in past 24 hours.
    The multi million £ bridge linking Crimea with Russia [ completed 2018 ] deemed a legitimate target by some military observers.
    Rumour of a resistance movement in Crimea that is intent on "guerilla attacks" has "fed up Russian soldiers who are anti Putrids aims supporters.
    Attack on the Wagner group of mercenaries, has very little news filtering through, possibly because of the extent of losses personel? and damage to infra structure. Quite a few "officers stationed there" ...

    Source states Himars are difficult to pinpoint after firing they could be miles away or a few hundred metres away ...

    obsevation P3's P8's have been conspicuous by there absence ... heavily armed anti sub / shipping observers, they will no doubt be transponders off! and refuelled by air tankers....
     
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    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    I watched the videos of Russian holidaymakers fleeing from the beach in terror whilst the Ukrainians were attacking a target in Crimea. One woman was wailing that she didn't want to leave Crimea, I suppose because it was her home, and I just wanted to throttle the bitch for complaining about her lot in life when Ukrainians are being killed in droves by her country. Watching Ukraine hit back at major Russian targets is a bonus and I want them to do more of it to show Putin that they will not keel over and give up and I think it shows that the enemy is not as clever as they try to make out. Lie after lie by Moscow will come back to haunt them and I just read that the Jewish population and their fortunes are leaving Russia in their thousands and their loss will hurt the economy.
     
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    I thought much the same when I saw that as well. As well as why the hell would you holiday in Crimea when there’s a war being fought in The Ukraine.
     
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