There's no football so I thought I'd throw this in: Regular posters know my opinions on this - every day I hate F*KING Brexit just a little bit more than I did the day before - and I hated it from day #1. In my own opinion: BAD - The 90 day rule - you are banned from accessing your own house in the EU after 90 days - Restrictions/delays at the border when travelling - plus passport stamps slowing things down - Need to prove destination and funds at the border when holidaying/accessing your own home in the EU - Higher food prices due to the lack of minimum-wage manual workers (ie fruit/vegetable pickers) - Political uncertainty around the NI Protocol and the Good Friday Agreement - The promised cash injection into the NHS has conveniently been 'forgotten' - or at least it hasn't happened - Higher travel insurance - Reintroduction of roaming charges for mobile phones - HUGE Red Tape for our exporters - especially food (beef, livestock, dairy) GOOD - Better export deal with Japan than we had under the EU (British cheese doesn't have an import tax any more) MYTHS - Vaccination Programme; our UK vaccination programme was initially faster than the EU because we employed our own scientists to safety-check the vaccines. The individual EU members each had the right to do the same - only they chose to rely on the EU scientists, rather than spend money on their own programme. We would have done exactly the same if we had still been in the EU - it was a matter of choice for EU members but our hand was forced due to Brexit. - We have taken back control; Actually, our borders are even more controlled by the EU than they were when we had a say - look at Northern Ireland for example - the EU are telling London what goods we are allowed to move there WITHIN OUR OWN COUNTRY - We have sorted immigration; Really? We have more people coming into our country than ever before - except that they are not hard-working Eastern Europeans to work in our bars, restaurants and picking fields. I KNOW that most of you on here voted for Brexit and I'm sure that you will totally disagree with my statements above - so please provide rational argument and evidence to prove me wrong - or add some benefits of Brexit that I've missed (if there are any). Not checked this - it may be interesting........ Get the facts on Europe - Full Fact
From my point of view it's a pointless debate, we are out, have been since 2016, long may it be, no more to add, nothing to be gained but don't let me deter others. Why the EU struggles to agree on anything Rise of Euroskeptic agitators is pulling European leaders in opposite https://www.politico.eu/article/why...nything-coronavirus-budget-mff-recovery-fund/
you have always shown your passport at dover but now the 40% who get stopped by french has gone up to 90% ... it takes less than 3 secs to stamp they turn to page where stamps go and read them any way ...least wise on the the 926 trips I made after after 2002 they did! reread the nhs schedule the cash injection is over x number of years £bn already for on going works and training down to your phone provider nowt to do with . gov and 905 of the population probably not we were and are at the forefront of R&D Whether we voted for against is not the issue ... you make your statements on what you believe some of it not even close to actuality!
That's your choice Wiz, but isn't that the same as in football after a defeat saying: ' From my point of view it's a pointless debate, we lost, have done since 5pm, long may it be, no more to add, nothing to be gained but don't let me deter others.....' It's the same thing - you can't change the result but we still choose to debate the game. I can't change Brexit - it happened - I've been stripped of my EU citizenship by the will of others. I simply want to know if we are better off than before or not.
This from a pro-Brexit media source: UK tourists may have to prove they can spend £85 a day to enter Spain https://mol.im/a/11050391 I must admit I’ve not experienced this but clearly some have
I had the same problem in reverse - I was stripped of being a member of a free sovereign nation and had to put up with bureacratic buffoons from Brussels, we voted to join a trading block and had 47 years of being conned into nearly a federal state and ended up in a right bloody mess, we've only had 4 years to clear the shoddy morass and we are still shackled to the leeches. We have got our freedom and independence back , won by a majority, democratic vote, I bless the day, it's weird but thousands risk their lives escaping the EU to live in the UK, I wonder why? Yuo are entitled to debate and continue wondering, please do as I said I have no wish to deter anyone wanting to join in.
John I used not to pay roaming charges - now I have to - since Brexit. The phone companies are passing charges that are incurred because we are no longer members of the 'club' on to the consumer and THEY site Brexit as the reason - are they lying? I used to pass through the border checkpoints quickly now I have to queue at a cubicle with the rest of the 350 planeload of people where a solitary border guard checks and stamps my passport - much slower than moving through the electronic gates I used to have been able to buy a house in Spain and simply live there - now I have to jump through some expensive hoops if I don't want to be kicked out of my OWN house after 90 days - thanks to Brexit Brexit - for me - has been a clusterfuck of monolithic proportion - it's massively screwed my retirement plans. I'm glad you're still happy with it - but please explain WHAT HAS IMPROVED? Some people state that the benefit is that we are no longer ruled by Brussels - fine - but where is the benefit in REAL terms to the man in the street? What benefit have you or I seen in our pockets or our daily lives? What is cheaper/easier to source/quicker to get to? I suspect NOTHING I'm NOT being sarcastic - I'm genuinely searching for something(s) that I might have missed that will make me feel better about the whole thing.
R&W - I think you've got this arse backwards. Not everyone on this board and the others are gasping to get into Spain and bemoaning roaming charges on their phones. It's a "you" thing and that's fair enough, but your standpoint seems to based on a personal issue. There were always going to be initial downsides to leaving the union and we were all aware of that. As far as the positives of our exit are concerned, I agree they appear to be pretty thin on the ground but it's still very early days - barely 2 years. It takes a long time to replace the "easy option" of staying in with something tangible to lean on. The whole covid issue since we eft has exacerbated things, but I'd suggest we were actually better off having left when the bastard virus first raised it's head. Whether you support the vacination issue or not, our independence from the rigid Euro system of vaccine allocation was of huge benefit. Longer term we shall see.
A very sensible post Sparkey and you’re right about it being personal to me - my wife and I have been planning on retiring to Spain for years - and it’s so frustrating that We’re within touching distance of our dream then this happens. Also, my wife and I have been heavily involved with international educational initiatives which have been severely impacted. Students wanting to study in Europe now have to jump through hoops when before Brexit they simply filled out a form. My own ‘needs’ aside though I honestly can’t think of any advantages hence this post. Maybe as you suggested it will take a few years…..
I repost my post .... ..... You could readily say that it is only just a couple of month's.... as the intervention of the above has had a devastating effect.. R&W the one thing is you have no patience and the second as OS says you believe it should all revolve around your personal sphere ... again you use footage from the past to try and embellish your present argumennt ... this is the first weekend that Dover has been snarled up and it is because this past weekend and next everyone wants to get abroad a by product is that ferries work on a system which primarily is weight distribution .. funny as it seems, as frieght, I was put on the lower decks and cars were on the upper ones .. for loading and unloading same principles in reverse when there is a massive amount of cars they apportion the loading to suit and so LGV'S ARE less likely to get on ferrys hence ques and op badger .. Friend of mine went this weekend .. well went Monday 12 left 4 hours earlier than norm so 4 am got to Dover and was on the ferry inside 2 hours his camper was at rear of 1 of the decks and said at least space to have got 2 LGV'S BEHIND HIM ... ... PATIENCE waited an extra day or so and basically gets an extra day on continent ... there is usually 6 lanes on a ferry? might be more so 10 12 lgv's of space but guess it was car decks he was on!
John - ignoring my personal ‘sphere’ for a moment, what EXACTLY has improved for the ‘ordinary person’ as a result of Brexit?
France in particular have thrown there toys out of the pram. Glad we are out but the connection to Europe on laws needs addressing.
Aside from fishing and the Northern Ireland protocol, what else needs fixing (aside from immigration and illegal immigration) is cutting the red tape for touring bands solo musical acts who face a mountain of costs and form filling just to play to people outside of the UK
More jobs in the North East. An example, Nissan closed down their factory in Spain after Brexit and transferred all their work to Washington. This is exactly what we voted for.
Irrelevant, we’ve left. Move on. Even if we wanted to go back it’s unlikely we’d be excepted, and if they did the terms they’d want us to accept wouldn’t make it worth our while.
Think that's one reason why we voted to leave. R&W Think your post is unfair due to Covid and Putin. Anyway you depart with our best wishes leaving us with Starmer, Davey and Sturgeon (your fellow remainers) governing in the not to distant future.
The Northern Ireland debacle isn't down to Covid or Putin. Neither is the new red tape that our exporters now have to wade through. The travel restrictions/hassles that I've mentioned are also because of Brexit, not Covid or Putin - although I accept that I may be the only one on here who cares about them due to my retirement intentions. The rising costs elsewhere have also been influenced by Covid and the war - probably mostly by the war due to the impact on energy supplies so it's difficult to ringfence what costs have been caused by Brexit and what have been caused by other factors - so I'll give you this. I can't depart until I retire in 4 years time when I'm 60 - possibly earlier if I get redundancy. Then I need to sell my house, settle the outstanding mortgage and release the equity to fund my purchase. There's a lot to do before I can live my dream. As for those politicians you mention; a lot depends on who wins the Tory leadership contest and how they approach the current cost of living crisis, but whatever happens we won't be going back into the EU - in any case they wouldn't want us back - because although we'd be a nice cash-cow for them we've always been lukewarm bedfellows at best - they wouldn't want us back in their club moaning about everything. Sturgeon in particular needs to be VERY careful - an independent Scotland is highly unlikely to be welcomed back into the EU - they would need subsidising - plus Spain and France wouldn't want them setting an example for Catalonia and Basque to follow, so are highly likely to veto. They could end up outside the EU as well as outside the UK - they would collapse.
