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When teams could innovate radically the other vested interested quickly got things banned. It has ever been thus.

The first ground effect cars actually survived a lot longer than other innovations like the 6 wheel lotus.which lasted 1 race?

When champagne built the engine into chassis as integral part he won for a while etc etc.

At this point the main issue is the cars are just too big, long and wide.

There's not enough cars on the grid cos it's too costly to go racing.

Put 30 cars out there not 20 and you have insta benefits.

They've banned refueling so there is no incentive to really differentiate strategy.

 

Just finished watching the recording of todays stage of the TdF and there is only two things to say after a stage that ended on Alp d'Huez on Bastille day
1. Chapeau Tom Pidcock
2. The French are eating their own livers right now .

 

The 6 wheeled car was a Tyrell and the Champagne reference was i suppose a reference to Colin Chapman and the monocoque chassis though have no idea about your engine reference

 

weirdly only a couple of days ago i bought a T shirt with that image on it .

 

I think autocorrect did for chapman.

the tyrell you are right.

the engine comment was about how the monocoque bolts onto the engine

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prior to this the engines sat on the chassis so this all helps save weight. its an ingeniously simple concept, which the best ideas usually look after you see them.

 

Actually the opposite. Making them similar means they have similar performance and the driver skill can have a bigger impact. But if cars were vastly different theyre would be clear gaps between teams and you'd probably only see overtaking of back markers or teammates.

 

The main thing about f1 is half the circuits are ****e and then you get places where the passing is impossible. They've killed the sport with a certain track designer and the hunt for cash. Miami is the perfect example of a terrible narrow track with zero racing possibilities.

Add in the fact the cars are much bigger in both length and width means its just harder do anything.

Add in having to carry your fuel and batteries all race.

Add in tyre saving

The new rules allow closer following but you still can't get by unless there's a differential.

Silverstone is a perfect wide open space track where different lines can be taken through corners. You cannot park on the apex and just not get passed.

Imo f1 has major infrastructure and rules issues that need resolving.

The new owners are actively killing the "sport" with track after track that you might as well watch quali then not the race

 

100% this. Street circuits are terrible. Yes, Monaco is iconic and the drivers love it but it's dull as **** to watch. Right designs can make for good racing, Silverstone a couple of weeks ago was fantastic!

Current cars aren't bigger though. Go back and look at footage from yesteryear, clearly much bigger.

 

They are longer and wider now. Which yesteryear do you mean?

 

60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. Stopped watching for a long time after that (not that I was alive or old enough for the first three mentioned!)

 

Silverstone has always been good whatever the regs at the time purely due to the fact that they basically used the old runways so overtaking has always been possible - though the facilities back in the day were ****ing woeful with a tannoy system that made a noise but it was impossible to discern one single word .

 

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1m longer but not that much wider than last regs but close to historic levels as you say.

 

Love Silverstone for the wide open spaces. I dont know why the gobshite tilke never cotton on to having big wide areas to take different lines is key despite all the things he stole from old tracks in corner shapes and camber or elevation.

 

Surprised at that tbf, cars back than look much bigger on track

 

I was at this one sitting on some scaffolding some bloke had bought with him to make a viewing platform

we had no idea what had happened just that half the field appeared to have disappeared .

 

Year Weight Changes

2008 585kg
2009 605kg
2010 620kg Refuelling is banned
2011 640kg Kinetic Recovery System (KERS) widely adopted
2012 640kg
2013 642kg Minor changes in the weight of Pirelli’s tyre range
2014 691kg Hybrid V6 engines introduced
2015 702kg Anti-intrusion panels added to cockpit
2016 702kg
2017 728kg Wider wheels and tyres introduced
2018 734kg Halo introduced
2019 743kg 80kg driver allowance
2020 746kg Second fuel flow meter added
2021 752kg
2022 798kg

New cars designed around ground effects aerodynamics, plus bigger wheels and wheel covers also introduced

I think this also has a bearing on how hard it is to stop the cars and accelerate.

They are heavy old lumps. Fuel, kers, hybrid engines. They.might as well have air con and electric windows at this point.

 

no wonder they look bigger !

 

Same strengths and same weaknesses as each other. The more they've made the cars ever more similar over the years the less overtaking there has been.

 

The spectre of disregard for player health raised itself again last weekend in rugby union.

Eddie jones went on record spotuing on about the rules and how mad a game he actually didn't/couldnt see was. He was prepping for his own game v australia but had plenty to say.

As usual it was mostly abouyt what his own side can get away with.

Examples:

Slap the ball onto the ground to prevent an attacking move. No sin bin is not for jones, simple knock on innit!

games too soft, whats' the problem with a few head shots anyway?


in other news:

Walsh former captain Ryan jones reveals diagnosis of early onset dementia

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/62194385




People like eddie jones who steadfastly refuse to adapt to the rules designed to speed the game and reduce head injuries are why we see time and again players refusing to leave the park until ref orders them off for HIA

AND WHY we have seen the rules had to go to the point where red cards were needed as teams like NZ and england etc would go after the oppositions best players to headshot them off the park.