Just read somewhere that the Roe v Wade overturn may impact IVF treatment. If true, that’s ****ing grim
Treading gently here…again… Os, if “the media” was The Mail and The Sun only, you’d have a very valid point. But it isn’t.
Also "it's as bad now as it was in Nazi Germany" has to be one of the most foolish statements I've ever read here. Ease up a little on the hyperbole, please...
Time zones are crazy In Australia its 9 am In Rome it's 1 am And in America it's 1942 where minorities and women are still controlled by old white men
If the old black man and the middle aged white woman on the court had voted the other way then the law would not have been overturned And the woman was put on the court with a vote that included 8 women senators It is rarely as simple as the high level demographics
Or perhaps just daft and inaccurate. I’ve listened to discussions of what things will be like in a post-roe US. Coat hangers in alleys is not something that came up. Hyperbole is doing a lot of damage in a great many arguments and discussions - including this one There are some powerful and persuasive arguments against what has happened. But those are not the ones that seem to be voiced as loudly. Indeed one aspect of the problem is how poor the reasoning have become. When you get women screaming “get a vasectomy” in response and actually seemingly suggesting that all men should immediately get a vasectomy as soon as they become fertile and can only get it reversed once they have proven they are responsible you know people are off the deep end. And I have heard otherwise rational and sensible people voice this position
Logical thinking seems to have gone out the window... We wanted and could afford 2 kids.. Before we had kids my wife organised contraception. After the birth of the 2nd it was logical that I took responsibility. Time for the snip. Simples really.
Same here, to expect a woman to take the pill for her reproductive years isn't an option as far as I'm concerned.
Without carrying on standing on this soapbox - because this broad brush thinking is a problem and one of the causes of the issues right now Similar to the way some American election analysts talk about the Hispanic / Latino vote as if it is a monolith when it really really isn’t. Or this idea that because someone is a woman they should be outraged by this. Just by default. No argument. No attempt at justification. And it hasn’t worked and isn’t working. Indeed the arguments presented by pro-choice people have degraded and degraded over the years to the point where they are actually pretty rubbish and unconvincing to anyone even moderately sceptical. (Note: this isn’t saying there aren’t compelling arguments. They just aren’t the loudest or most widely stated) It’s based in this idea of “didn’t you know you lost the culture war” spoken by liberals to conservatives. Said conservatives were told this. Repeatedly. But they didn’t listen and instead got to work. I made a similar post on a very very feminist sub Reddit the other day precisely because I saw someone say “conservatives are just angry they lost the culture war”. And I thought - hold up. No they are not. Because to them it isn’t over. And the fact that some many think it is is why you get outcomes like this last week (Apologies if I wrote this up thread and forgot but I am a little irked by this and have been posting this in several places because some people just don’t get it. And it is the same kind of feeling of arrogance and complacency that got trump elected in the first place)
I’m part way through. It is very interesting but some of her points are missing the point of “mandatory” it seems Also this one was hilarious and outrageous and literally only something a woman could write : “Women already struggle if they get pregnant by an affair and their husband has had a vasectomy. We don't have to be perfect to deserve choice.” The woman would struggle in that situation? The woman? Man goes through an event that is likely pretty high on the list (if not top) of every man’s worst fears. Women most effected. JFC
The interesting part is after being called out a lot of the replies say things like “it is said as a joke” or “it is a philosophical/intellectual thought exercise to prove a point” I can guarantee that when I have heard it in person it was none of those things. It was uttered by someone red faced with anger and speaking purely from emotion.
This is what America has to look forward to now. It shouldn’t go unnoticed that many Tory MP’s have also saluted the Supreme Court’s ruling.
