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  1. organic red

    organic red Well-Known Member

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    Anyone seen Biden falling off a bike?.....................hilarious <laugh>
     
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  2. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Who let Joe biden on a bike ffs. His leg doesn't work and he's a doddery old fart.
     
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    Was it before or after he told everyone how he won a medal at the Olympics for cycling? :bandit:
     
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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Well look, there's a massive hole in her thinking.

    A) putin invaded Ukraine in 2014
    B) biden has been in since Jan 21. Putins been preparing to take over for a lot longer than that.
    C) this little covid issue was actually massive in Russia and covered over. This started in Jan 20.
    D) putins started putting forces on Ukraine border and threatening them in April 21. He didn't stop for 10 months ths threatening.

    Now it looks very easy to link Jan 21 to April 21 but it's going on a lot longer than that and has actually been delayed as a major action by covid rather than trump.

    The reality is trump signed that peace treaty with the taliban and committed America to pulling out. Sleepy Joe basically followed through and left them to fall apart with zero back up. They imploded within days as the entire rotten edifice was corrupt from day 1 and 20 years later (and 4 presidents) it was still corrupt. Afghanistan is not only a failure of western "ideals" its another grand lie that wanted so.many lives because if honesty said people wanted to string up al queda then honesty should have dictated thst no attempt at any government was necessary behind them nor was stopping on the border with Pakistan. Another corrupt state that hid bin laden and the other leaders of taliban and Al queda.

    What we are doing now is allowing slaughter of Ukrainians as iltay has now managed what? Reduce Russian gas by half while proposing preace deal without consultation. France president licking up to putin. Etc etc etc.

    Putin doesn't see a weak us president, he sees a weak Europe that he's gained control of energy supply and he wants his empire back. The US led nato presence on his former vassal states are not acceptable.

    Ukraine. Moldova. Georgia. Full control of black sea.
    Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland.

    They are all targets.

    And still people whinging about energy costs not wondering how to break the link to Russia 100% and shut down the iron curtain firmly.

    50% duties on India next. Major.major uptake in buying from Russia.
     
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    Footage or its BS
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Crazy stuff.

    80 year old who can't walk up or down stairs due to lower leg issues up on bikes and falling off.
     
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    I think a Mr Trump suggested it.
     
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    When you refer to Biden as "sleepy Joe Biden" which is only what Trump and the far right media call him, I suspect you do. <whistle>


    Back on your point about Obama though, yes I think Obama was in charge when Putin took Crimea. I did say back then that I didn't think he was making enough of a stand. None of the western leaders did. They made token restrictions on Russia and made some condemning statements but it was really a lacklustre response.

    If the West had reacted properly to Putin taking Crimea then perhaps Putin wouldn't have been invading the rest of ukraine now.

    Trump didn't stop Putin running raids in the Donbas during his presidency. In fact he refused to condemn Putin once. He wasn't any deterrent at all.
     
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    No idea what Trump called him. I'm calling him sleepy based on the multiple videos I've seen of him fast asleep on the public stage - at the COP 26 meetings, his meeting with the Israeli prime minister and on a live stream with Hillary Clinton. To name but a few <whistle>

    Btw to have a dog in the fight I'd actually have to be on one side or the other and I'm not. I'm an outside observer. I have no affiliation to any side in American politics. Some people think that if you criticise Biden then you must like Trump which isn't even logical. Criticism of Biden is simply criticism of Biden.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    so you've no idea why you are calling him what the media have implanted into your brain about him :) we all need to think on what we are being fed.

    I'm pretty sure biden was a poor president but poor is better than megalomaniac and that was the choice on offer.

    I'm pretty sure there wasn't too many who thought trump would be as bad but there's a huge amount of people now fed a diet of utter rot to the point they'd believe anything from that source now. they voted in droves and then invaded capitol hill on all of this. thats the REAL issue.

    there should be no world where a dodderly old man like biden nor BTW Mccain nor dole gets elected just cos the other person is a lunatic but thats where we are.

    When bob dole was rolled out he was against clinton. When mccain was rolled out he was against obama. Biden was rolled out as the safe option and acceptable face compared to saunders. He was proven to be so cos trump was got out of office.

    The issue next is nothings been done to get rid of the diet of propaganda and falsehoods. the same stuff is over here electing johnson.
     
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    Yep - it's a sad state of affairs when someone like Biden is an obvious improvement on Trump, but quite frankly a sack of spuds in the Oval Office would be an improvement on him.
    The reality is that most democracies have an inertia that one person can't usually change too much. Most of the control is through the establishment - senior civil servants, high ranking military etc, and most of the influence on the people is through the media. All of these are generally conservative in their outlook so change is a slow grind.
    As an outside observer, it seems to me that the US president holds a different status to our PM for example, in that the public appear to see him more as a genuine autocrat than a person attempting to control a large and complex vehicle.
    When you get an appalling individual such as Trump in that position - a man who believes in that myth, and in his own inerrant judgement, then you have a very dangerous situation.
    Trump is egotistical, volatile, and of low intelligence, but driven by personal ambition and a lack of objective self-assessment. He probably genuinely believes the election was stolen from him because he can't understand how anyone else could not share his own image of himself.
    Easily as much of a danger as Putin.
     
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    You've said before about what the media have implanted in my brain. Does the same apply to you? It's a lazy accusation people aim at those they disagree with :bandit: And I do have an idea why I called him sleepy, I just gave it to you <doh>

    I pay zero attention to the media. I don't read newspapers or watch any mainstream media whatsoever. I'm not even getting my football information from the BBC anymore which used to be my go to source, not anymore because I've noticed that all mainstream media has an agenda, even in it's sports reporting.

    I've spent time watching YouTube videos on all sorts of things since the pandemic, don't ask me why, I just sort of drifted into it <laugh> I watch the Parliamentary channel if there's a click bait title like 'Starmer Humiliates Boris at PMQ's' usually to be disappointed because it's just a run of the mill question and answer. There's a channel that does Biden's gaffe of the day which is hilarious and had Trump still been there, i would be watching his gaffe of the day. I watch serious videos like Thomas Sowell, a 93 year old economist, who has a great take on lots of aspects related to politics and culture in general. I'm not very easily influenced. I find lots of things 'interesting' . I like watching content particularly from those who have the opposite opinion to me because I like having my views challenged. There's a core that isn't up for negotiation but other than that, I'm fairly open minded and am prepared to have my opinion changed. I know what I think so I like to see what others think. Living in an echo chamber doesn't help advance anything least of all meeting people half way.

    People are being manipulated by the age old - give them a figure to hate or fear and you take all the power. You have to demonise those who's power you want to usurp. It's a classic being played out in the US, it's how Biden got elected in the first place. People are being manipulated and they can't see it. They deserve better governments than the lesser of two evils.
     
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    It's easy to say people are being manipulated - especially those who don't agree with us - and therefore dismiss their opinions as uneducated and invalid, but perhaps people are better masters of their own opinion than that implies.
    Perhaps there is a substantial body of people who have no real interest and are easily manipulated - blank pages waiting to be written on by the propaganda machine - but don't discount the fact that a large proportion of us are not that easily swayed.
    I'd say that most of us already know which side we're on, and will only accept the propaganda that conforms to the opinion we've already established. This applies equally to both right and left, and what needs to be examined is how that conviction was arrived at.
    I would claim that the things you say suggest that you are conservative in your thinking, and it must be glaringly obvious to you that I'm much more left-wing. But it isn't the result of blindly following an indoctrinated dogma - I genuinely feel that social responsibility and inclusiveness is the only way to a better future, whereas most right-wing politicians display an adherence to an elitist past that to my mind should have long since been consigned to the dustbin of history.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    yet you didn't know where sleepy came from? I'm just pointing out exactly where its come form and spread out from as a jibe. It started with Donald trump. he throws these little insults in and the media get to work.

    would you be calling Rubio little mark as well by any chance? just think about it.

    Everything comes from something somewhere and its all got an agenda.

    What I worry about is you seem obsessed with the line that "it's how Biden got elected in the first place. People are being manipulated and they can't see it"

    the reason trump got elected is precisely this as well. he destroyed the republican field by weakling rivals and none took him seriously. The level of evidence form 4 years of trump is enough that anyone safe would have been elected. Its not like they (or we) have an option other than "the other party" to get these guy out.

    there is no deserving of better government when people enable these systems where big business has far more of a voice. there won't be a better option over the least worst in either thier system or ours.

    Again trump was SO bad that just about anything was better. Is it much good? no. was it any better under obama? frankly no it wasn't. this is why america has gone down the undemocratic executive order road and its a very slippery slope

    the American balance of power is one that protects the status quo and bullies other nations. Biden will shortly be hamstrung by either congress or senate or both switching to red. at least there they can go do that in theory. Here we get boris and boris cronies for 5 years free for all.

    The French have chosen least worst option between a fascist and macron and have now promptly hamstrung macron with a split parliament. Again the status quo will muddle along.
     
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    Sleepy probably came from the meme channel that I recently discovered, Gaffe of the day. Their other favourite name for him is Captain Chaos. I have no idea what Trump calls Biden or anyone else. I read academic articles or articles written by credible sources like that Fiona Hill one I mentioned the other day in an attempt to understand situations that I have no clue about like.the Russia/Ukraine situation. I don't take any information from the media. Any channels I have watched are skewed and heavily biased one way or the other. The American media - Fox vs CNN - who has the real story because you can't trust either of them. I watched Tucker Carlson once just because I'd seen his name several times and had no idea who he was. I laughed out loud.


    You can hardly claim one comment about how Biden got elected as me being obsessed, come on. <laugh> Whoever it was standing for the Democrats was getting elected because Trump was such a failure. And Trump got elected for the same reason..The manipulation I'm talking about is across the board. How many candidates get elected based on their own vision rather than either being better than their opponent or doing a better job of smearing them?

    I will post a video from Thomas Sowell (although it's just a voice over doing a reading from one of his books) that I watched this morning which explains what I was talking about with the manipulation comment.
     
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    I'm interested in what I've said specifically that gives this impression. I'm not saying you're wrong. I don't categorise myself as anything. I know you put conservative with a small 'c' to distinguish it from the political party. I suggest that any of the views you've seen me express are informed by my religious beliefs rather than any political stance because I don't have a political affiliation. Are religious people by definition conservative?
     
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    Yes, the lower case "c" was deliberate for that reason. Ways of thinking can be determined by the way they're expressed, and reveal an overall philosophy not necessarily linked to a political party. My leftish inclinations don't automatically make me a devotee of any party that declares itself socialist, but there are broad shared ideals.
    Are religious people conservative? Most seem to be, in my experience - but I'm sure it's down to the individual and I wouldn't want to lump everyone in together in that way.
    To my mind, none of this discussion has anything to do with religion and I'm mildly surprised that you see it that way.
    All I will say on that topic is that if the Republican proclaimed attitude to religion influences your opinion of them in any way I'd ask you to examine it further. All this "God bless America" tripe is utter hypocrisy. American evangelical Christians hold the most un-christian value set imaginable.
    Much of Trump's more vocal support came from an extreme right-wing camp of patriarchal, white-supremacist bigots who exploited so many Americans' bizarre horror of socialism to gain support for a truly appalling individual, who ironically didn't turn out quite as extreme as they'd hoped.
     
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