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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    Modern Britain?? Where did that appear PNP? Not modern Britain the add.
     
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    No idea, honestly. Can't seem to find the charity, either. Might be fake.
     
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    But they are clearly not good on irony
     
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    Slavery and voluntary work are not the same thing though....
     
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    An unpaid Intern is not voluntary in a society that expects such work. I do voluntary work but that's because I am retired and that's completely different to a young person trying to forge a career.
     
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    Not very bright at Godzilla's Ballsack News, are they?

    ...and that can of worms is full
     
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    "Communist wanted rid of the Nazis in Germany."
    Is that intended as a criticism? A bit too mask off there, even for an alt.
     
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    Well this should be useful for when she's inevitably on the Question Time panel next month...
    https://archive.ph/nE004
     
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    Keep digging...

    And for good reason...
     
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    I completely agree and it should never be a requirement for anyone to do unpaid work. But I also don't think it unreasonable for a charity which by definition, relies on people giving it money, to allow people the opportunity to give their time instead. Calling it an intern is probably unwise though.
     
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    Charities produce income they are not always solely reliant on funding plus they can get funding if required to pay employees. There is no excuse for people working for nothing. The description of the job is a massive clues as well. A Personal Assistant is a job not a voluntary position. It's actually disgraceful that a charity pursuing justice should endorse such practices as unpaid internship.
     
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    I agree with your general argument but lots of roles in charities are filled by volunteers and I think it would be wrong to have a blanket ban on that.
     
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    Never mentioned blankets.
     
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    The plot thickens...
     
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    Volunteering is essentially an act of free will to undertake something.
    Whether there is remuneration (at all, anywhere near a
    "market rate" expected for the undertaking etc) is another story.

    Interns OTOH are making a Faustian pact :

    acquire industry experience/skills at the potential expense of no/little remuneration.


    Interestingly, paying little/nothing ensures locality for
    all but suitably wealthy volunteers (which in the case
    of interns IMHO is a good thing) .
     
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    From personal experience, there's long been a reliance on unpaid interns in certain industries

    I remember back when the Grauniad had a media section there was one post production house who'd regularly post an ad for unpaid runners who'd do a three months stint with the carrot of a contract at the end of it...and by complete coinkidink to ad reappeared in the media section another 2-3 months later. Similarly, a whole bunch of production companies manage to classify week-long unpaid internships as "work experience" so they're burning through two or three runners a week without paying them - and I know the latter one from personal experience, having done a stint at [REDACTED] working in the [REDACTED REDACTED] office, which was slightly annoying when one of the [REDACTED] that I secured for [REDACTED REDACTED] while on my "work experience" made it to air on Channel [REDACTED] meaning I didn't get any credit for my CV in spite having the names and phone numbers of half the people in the credits for that episode (but not [REDACTED] Beeny, she never showed up to the [REDACTED REDACTED] office)

    Law firms also use a lot of unpaid temps fresh out of law school, also dangling the carrot of full-time employment to keep them on the chain
     
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