Unlike the Madrid owners? Also hating a team based on their owners is a bit hypocritical now isn’t it?
Don't remember Real Madrid's crackpot owner interfering in a business takeover that had nothing to do with him involving NUFC.
Victim mentality, divine right attitude, ticketless fans, Klopp, Suarez carry on, super league, Steven Gerrard, you'll never walk alone, daft accents, Kenny Dalglish, scouse media love in... I could go on. Pretty much every fan base hates you.
Oh, so nothing to do with the super league? More pissed that they aren’t in favour of state run clubs being able to sponsor themselves with unrealistic valuations? Fair enough.
On the old BBC 606 forum your fans were even more obnoxious than man utd fans.. and that's saying something.
Nah Super League was the lying part in my initial post, cheating, was the gormless, geeky looking ****tard, demanding the PL block our takeover and trying to manipulate less fortunate clubs with regards COVID. I also hate the fact the bastardisation of our national sport since American owners have got involved........ But deep down I never ever ever forgave them for breaking my heart with the Beardsley transfer in the 80's. You're alreet though so no hard feelings
not sure what first 2 relate to? ticketless fans, pretty sure that’s a thing for every single clubs in the world so but if a strange thing to hate a whole club over? Klopp, fair enough if don’t like manager makes sense. suarez, doesnt play for us. Do you hate Groningen, Ajax, Barca and Atletico as well? If so fair enough. Super league, that was the owners, along with many others. Would like to say had nothing to do with the actual Liverpool given all fans protested and stood in arms about that so strange thing to hate the club about when a club is 90% the fans and the owners are just custodians of that? ynwa, you hate a song so much you hate the club that sing it? Seems strange but fair enough. media love in - happens with all successful clubs. Get more clicks and views talking about big clubs. You’ll find the same in a few years if you start challenging at the top. Will you hate your own club then?
No, it isn't a thing for every other club, but it's well documented with your club. Just look at last night, loads of Liverpool fans stood on the gangways, there has to have been ticketless fans in the ground, but apparently it's all the police's fault and just poor organization, there's the victim mentality. The divine right attitude, just read RAWK.
I'm going to be honest with you mate........Last night the police were bang out of order from videos I've seen. At no point should tear gas and pepper spray be used in the vicinity of children. All the stuff I've seen today showed the Liverpool fans just trying to scan their tickets and the French police going way over the top. So last nights issues, I'm not holding against Liverpool. That rests at the feet of UEFA and the French authorities in my book. I do have issues with the bastardisation of football for America's benefit and a lot of that has been driven by the Liverpool owners. However they are not alone and I hold Man Utd, Spurs and Arsenal in the same light with that one. I did feel they were part of the dirty half dozen when it came to the liberties they were trying to get over the COVID payments for smaller clubs. Few things in their favour is they are very well run, have proper fans that come from a similar background, and try to take care of their own. My deep down grudge has always been the Beardsley deal
Not as much of an issue with that as I have with the police tear gassing kids mate. Don't know if you have any but I wouldn't have been coming home if they'd done that to mine like.
We'll have to disagree mate. Sorry, by all means go send riot police in to beat the **** out of the ones causing problems by all means. Innocent kids going to a game of football should not be subjected to that sort of **** from the police.
Of course they shouldn't be, but what's that got to do with ticketless fans in the ground. It's a bit of both.
It’s not personal, Biz Me, for example, I’ve never been nice enough to “want the English team to win” - ****ing nuts in my view! Multiple factors lead to a club being liked by other fanbases - or loathed. Keegan’s era was accompanied by an “everyone’s second team” tag because there was a sense of childish fun and humility about the club and players and fans, a sleeping giant finally getting some sunshine, there was no arrogance , there was wonderful entertainment and there was honesty in the management speak. That probably went belly up with the “I’d love it” speech…. because with that speech, Kevin was saying that other clubs owed the footballing world a taking-down of Man U - which signaled a sense of entitlement by us. There’ll be a few of us have been exposed to fans of Liverpool that just oozed that sense of being the football equivalent of the Queen and should be loved by the whole nation…. there’s a high propensity in online forums/media comment sections where “YNWA” is a standard sign off and it is - for me - a ****ing dreary song with no uplifting element in it whatsoever; it just gets on my tits when I hear it, so the tune comes to mind when I see ‘YNWA’ typed out. And I colour in the personality of the writer accordingly. The media have been banging on about quadruples for the last months and that came across as them signalling an inevitable ‘right’ that just needed fulfilling. These are all little things that are **** all to do with the majority of genuine Liverpool supporters…. but we fans of other clubs are tribal and are looking for differences between us and them - a bit of Social Identity Theory there! Klopp’s a snidey **** though, regularly slipping in some disrespect to the opposition management if not getting a win - I don’t like that lack of class. End of the day though, it’s just a game and what you see as “hate” is just words on pages, it doesn’t translate into physical attacks of Liverpool fans by other fanbases - the ‘hatred’ isn’t real hatred. There’s also a natural relief that Liverpool didn’t win the quadruple - that would have just earned them more money and enabled bigger and better transfers than your success already allows, which would just make you harder to get any points from - this is true for all successful clubs and will have an impact on their relationships with other fanbases…. you can take it as a compliment, Man Utd fans seemed to when they had their golden era under Ferguson. Liverpool are having that success, but the perceived sense of entitlement (the occasional fan, Klopp’s personality, the media element, players saying they “see things others don’t” (TAA) etc build all that noise) is something that has just taken root now - you’ll only be nationally loved when there’s a change of wind and “some humility and grace” can be smelt, or when you are unsuccessful and it can just be laughed at a bit. I think you are sound, and probably quite representative of a lot of LFC fans - but you’re best off learning to live with the hate and brush it off for a while. Nobody is hurt by it, and our lack of love for LFC won’t affect your accumulation of trophies one iota. And we’re going to be you soon anyway.
The majority of the problems were caused by the scanners not reading the QR codes properly, this was from people with proper tickets including ex players etc that got them from the club. Yes there was bound to be tons trying to get in, Do you honestly think if we get to a Champs League final everyone will travel with tickets? The whole thing needs thoroughly reviewed mate, and not being funny but when you get a proper understanding of the bullshit the police and the government did in covering up Hillsborough you can appreciate where I'm coming from with this.
I'm not sure how fans can be blamed trying to gain entry with Counterfeit tickets as the police claim, unless they they were dodgy. Ticketless fans happens all over, it doesn't matter who you support. I dare say, there are few NUFC on here who have done it over the years. The police actions were just plain wrong, whether you hate Liverpool or not. I hate Liverpool, but that's down to the **** we used to get at Anfield in the 70s/80s and rocking up pinching our best players. Winning everything back then didn't help either, but that's what successful clubs tend to get across the board.
Right, so if they weren't scanning properly for legit tickets, there should have been fewer Liverpool fans in the ground than there should have been, not more. No i don't think everyone would travel with tickets if it was us but what's wrong with that, trying to get in with fake tickets is the issue here. We have taken many massive followings away and there hasn't been this issue so not sure what your point is on that one. Liverpool fans have history of it, we don't. And yea i have got a proper understanding of hillsborough, i haven't even brought that up..the other game i'm on about was Istanbul/Athens, can't remember which.
