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Arsenal-- Some Points from A Yank

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Cheetahyz, Oct 30, 2011.

  1. Cheetahyz

    Cheetahyz Member

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    1. First place in CL Group
    2. Quarterfinal in CC
    3. Climbing to top 10 in PL while enjoying a lengthy unbeaten streak.
    4. Gervinho, Ramsey, Arteta, Arshavin all in form.
    5. Park and AOC look promising.
    6. RVP having a career season
    7. An AWAY win vs Chelsea.

    All this while enduring a heart transplant. Cesc, until this season, was the heart of this team. Nasri the blood.

    And everything, right now, with an injury riddled defense. With TV coming back, he and KOS will make for one of the best central pairings in the PL. Per will provide excellent cover.

    And to think, Jack will be back.

    I'm not sure how many clubs could suffer everything Arsenal has and continue against such terrible odds with so much success.

    Certainly, though, there is still work to be done. And herein lies my question: Would you now consider Arsenal a club in "transition" or a team in "crisis"?

    And even further: When would you feel right to say "In Arsene we trust" again?
     
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  2. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Some of us never lost faith in him <ok>
     
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  3. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    I probably never will - good as he has been, and quite passable still - he has made too many shockers.
    The guy can no longer walk on water. The players are doing it - Wenger is still too naive - no tactics - no man-marking, no strategy for set-pieces, RVP taking corners (?) favouring weak players.........I'll stop before I spoil what was a fantastic day.
     
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  4. suker_suker

    suker_suker Well-Known Member

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    So, he had nothing to do with yesterday's victory at all? You can criticize Wenger for the bad results, after all he is the manager, but you must therefore do him the courtesy of crediting him with the victories.
     
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    no I'm afraid not. Chavski were truly awful in the middle and at times at the back. Torres looked lost and with no Dogsbreath we were let off.
    Chelski lost it, we took advantage.
     
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  6. EmirAleks

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    So he is favoring weak players, but they are doing it?
     
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    Interesting interpretation, the truth is that if you look at the whole match, it was the WAY we played that stretched Chelsea and allowed us to get into good positions. This seems to be a reflection of some kind of tactical plan. I'm not saying we're completely out of the woods and there are no problems but I think you are grossly underestimating Wenger's ability as a manager.
     
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    Bergkamp a Dutch master New Member

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    So - anybody care to answer my accusations against the great man?
     
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  9. leethegunner

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    nasri the blood of the team i dont think so there, albeit he did have some very good games but he had more poor games and was top form for only 6 months out of 3 years
     
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  10. Cheetahyz

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    Wow. You guys are a tough crowd!
     
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    Bergkamp a Dutch master New Member

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    No - we don't just brown-nose - we are perfectly capable of having opinions. Often we cannot agree, but so what - we mostly want our team to regain the greatness that is our past, and our destiny. Others are just a pale copy, bank-rolled by crooks or guys who have black gold under their feet. Nobodies who generally know nothing.
     
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    I thought I already did. You don't go to Stamford bridge and put five past them without some kind of strategy. I can't go into a detailed explanation of all the intricacies of this because I do not possess one iota of managerial experience, same as you.
     
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  13. Cheetahyz

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    Suker, I agree. Putting 5 past Chelsea is impressive, especially regarding the current physio of the team. I do think arsenal played more width yesterday than they have in the past. Gerv and Theo worked well down the flanks. Santos too. Eventually AVB tried to counter by subbing in Malouda. That didnt work out well for him. I also feel Wenger told Song to play closer to the backline 2nd half. There was a noticeable difference. Arsenal out scored Chelsea 4-1 second half and mata's goal was VERY well taken. I also think Wenger did well to sub in jenkinson and TV at the end. So, although I can't say I've followed arsenal all that long, Wenger using width and making defensive subs/adjustments does feel like an old dog trying new tricks. Maybe he has been listening?
     
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    Strategy? what absolute tosh. We ALWAYS go forward and even when we shouldn't. (at Old Trafford).

    Wenger has no idea how to close a match out.

    We got 5 because they were rubbish. (and they might have got more than that).
     
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    <laugh> Absolute guff! You think Wenger just says 'Attack! Attack! Attack!' He took Theo off and introduced Vermaelan towards the end of the game!
     
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  16. Cheetahyz

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    What about vs Udinese ? Gunners played defense that day. I also remember bunkering against barca last year's CL. Seemed to be working until that harsh call against RVP. Nonetheless, you are right, Bergkamp. Wenger's Arsenal has always been about scoring more goals to win. And defense suffers because of it ... and that high line they play. But it was a win Saturday. In fact, it's been 8 wins on 9 matches. I think I'm just happy to point out that they have to be doing something right these days. That Wenger might even be making some very subtle but important adjustments to address the issues that have been hurtful.

    Yet, where would the club be now if Jw, Bs, and tv had all been fit since the season opener. This is one of the issues do I have with Wenger-- injuries seem to especially plague arsenal.

    And then there's those set pieces...
     
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