1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Grand Prix thread PIRELLI GRAN PREMIO DE ESPAÑA 2022

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by ched999uk, May 19, 2022.

?

Who will cross the line first?

Poll closed May 21, 2022.
  1. Charles Leclerc

    21.4%
  2. Carlos Sainz

    7.1%
  3. Max Verstappen

    28.6%
  4. Sergio Perez

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Lewis Hamilton

    21.4%
  6. George Russell

    14.3%
  7. Lando Norris

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Lance Stroll

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Fernando Alonso

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Any Other

    7.1%
  1. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2011
    Messages:
    14,830
    Likes Received:
    5,944
    Nice to see the quali times getting nice and close
     
    #41
  2. Mark Blow

    Mark Blow Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2011
    Messages:
    3,540
    Likes Received:
    2,228
    Brilliant by Charles, Merc still about the same gap away even with the upgrades 208DFFE9-0BED-43E4-927F-A38EE28FEACD.png
     
    #42
  3. Mark Blow

    Mark Blow Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2011
    Messages:
    3,540
    Likes Received:
    2,228
    Hamilton improved by almost 3/10’s from Q2 to Q3, Russell only 2/10th’s.

    Charles a mighty 1.2 seconds on new tyres and engine turned up
     
    #43
    ched999uk likes this.
  4. ched999uk

    ched999uk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2013
    Messages:
    5,236
    Likes Received:
    2,380
    I think Charles has the new Ers system so that might have helped a little.
     
    #44
  5. TopClass

    TopClass Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2011
    Messages:
    9,716
    Likes Received:
    3,377
    Well two stunning laps from Charles and Max in all fairness. Merc fell away just at the end but hey- they have made enormous strides.
     
    #45
  6. Mark Blow

    Mark Blow Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2011
    Messages:
    3,540
    Likes Received:
    2,228
    Looking at previous races this season and qualifying I’d say their upgrades have improved the car by about 2/10’s towards pole. So only another 8/10th’s to go
     
    #46
  7. Justjazz

    Justjazz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2011
    Messages:
    1,794
    Likes Received:
    1,551
    I am predicting a podium for 1 of the Merc cars tomorrow. Their race pace has always been a little better. Also, looks like track temperatures will be lower tomorrow which might play a part for some. Either way, I am looking forward to the race, not something I can always say about Barcelona.
     
    #47
    ched999uk likes this.
  8. Quite Possibly Raving

    Quite Possibly Raving Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    4,262
    Likes Received:
    5,631
    The significance of the Merc upgrades for me isn't just about the gain in pace which is nice, but it's about future development. To my layman's mind, now they've addressed (at least to a larger degree) the porpoising they are now in a position to make progress with developments to close the gap, whereas before they've just been trying to get the concept to work. Probably wrong but would welcome people's opinions on this.

    In other words, they now have a platform to build on, which I'm not sure they did before.
     
    #48
  9. ched999uk

    ched999uk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2013
    Messages:
    5,236
    Likes Received:
    2,380
    The Mercs seem to have vastly reduced the bouncing on the straights but it's still there on the high speed corners!! So while they have fixed some of the issue I'm not sure it's where the biggest time gains are to be had. Surely if it's still bouncing round high speed corners they must be losing time as the downforce will be up and down and not constant?
    I think they might do quite well in the race, Lewis seems quite happy so I think he is a lot more confident in the car.
     
    #49
  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    122,842
    Likes Received:
    29,667
    It's apparently all about budgets now.

    Mercs seem to have a lot of info on barca and their favourite track for years upon years so this set up was aimed at coming here and making a step. They have but equally they were closer at high downforce tracks earlier in the season so Russell gap to leclesr is not too bad as it clearly shows a step.

    Hamilton fans should be concerned as he is talking down while Russell seems to be quite happy being 5th and 6th aiming to push to podium as he's not got the t-shirt. Hamilton I think can't raise the same motivation to fight for 5th and doesn't like being outpaced one bit.

    Overall the next step in this is to see if the race pace can push a merc ahead of the rear gunners for red bull and ferrari who keep messing up.

    As for the rest, I reckon there was probably more in the ferrari as it had to get a lap in there at the end and did.

    Same for verstappen who will now get another in a long line of drs repairs

    The big question is how many more upgrades can teams bring and stay in budget as the season progresses from here.... is the merc behind in engine? Is the micro side pods really a massive drag advantage? Now we will find out.

    I'm still on le clerc for the win.
     
    #50

  11. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    122,842
    Likes Received:
    29,667
    BTW...just a thought but bottas 19.6 and k.mag 19.66

    Hamilton is only 0.1 ahead and that's actually consistent with first couple of races at high downforce tracks.

    Russell certainly has unlocked more speed in his set up to get ahead or perez.
     
    #51
  12. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2011
    Messages:
    14,830
    Likes Received:
    5,944
    The thing is with Hamilton...just never write him off, because when he does get the bit between his teeth again, he's capable of creeping ahead of Russell.

    We all knew Russell was going to be quick though. We've seen where he can put a Williams on a Saturday and he immediately shone when he stood in for Hamilton, so it's no real shock.


    As for Mercs steps forward. Clearly they have made some, but does the familiarity with this track and setting up for it make those gains look better? There are clearly spots where it's still a handful.
     
    #52
    ched999uk likes this.
  13. Quite Possibly Raving

    Quite Possibly Raving Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    4,262
    Likes Received:
    5,631
    PS - I know I've asked before, but anyone get any luck with finding out where Cosi went? I really loved his input. Did PM him but not reply.
     
    #53
  14. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2011
    Messages:
    14,830
    Likes Received:
    5,944
    I have tried a couple of avenues, and no success. It worries me.
     
    #54
  15. Quite Possibly Raving

    Quite Possibly Raving Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    4,262
    Likes Received:
    5,631
    Same, with COVID in mind. Hope he's okay and if he's reading this that he knows we would love to hear from him.
     
    #55
    push, ched999uk and SgtBhaji like this.
  16. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2011
    Messages:
    14,830
    Likes Received:
    5,944
    Second that! Miss him/her.
     
    #56
    push and ched999uk like this.
  17. Justjazz

    Justjazz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2011
    Messages:
    1,794
    Likes Received:
    1,551
    The extra weight of the fuel may reduce some of the remaining bouncing, at least for part of the race. Merc themselves said there is more to be done but they now have something to work with. A podium is possible but some races away from a win I think.
     
    #57
    ched999uk likes this.
  18. Justjazz

    Justjazz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2011
    Messages:
    1,794
    Likes Received:
    1,551
    Lewis is a complex person, we saw that in his last season at McLaren. He should have greater maturity now. Russell lucked in on one if not two tyre changes versus Lewis in the previous races. I think George is too fast for Lewis to do an easy overtake but with DRS who knows.
    I didn't vote for him but I hope LeClerc brings this one home.
     
    #58
    ched999uk likes this.
  19. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2011
    Messages:
    25,585
    Likes Received:
    20,272
    #59
  20. Justjazz

    Justjazz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2011
    Messages:
    1,794
    Likes Received:
    1,551
    I like that Number One is a Bottas fan. Loyalty in the face of adversity. Very commendable.
     
    #60
    Big Ern and moreinjuredthanowen like this.

Share This Page