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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Friday 20th May)

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, May 20, 2022.

  1. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Absolute bollocks!!!!!

    1) He was given a massive budget (for a Championship side). During his first season, we lost out to Sheffield Utd, who had a shoestring budget and a League 1 squad.

    2) HE (Bielsa) signed JKA, Firpo, Rodrigo, James and Costa on big fee's.

    3) Bielsa REFUSED to change tactics which clearly weren't working, even though his own players were begging him to.

    4) The January transfer window

    5) Man for man marking against the best players in the World

    6) Over training and burn out.

    7) Wafer thin squad leaving them with no back up

    8) Goal difference

    9) Taking responsibility each week for his mistakes, but not changing, as he's too arragant

    10) 100 percent responsible for our relegation
     
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  2. 2 pennth

    2 pennth Well-Known Member

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    Are you just trying to upset me if so you’re succeeding
     
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  3. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    We gave him too much time. The fact that he was shocked by his sacking shows how arragant he was!
     
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  4. Irishshako

    Irishshako Well-Known Member

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    A bit harsh. He was best coach at this club since Wilko IMO. I'm at a loss at how many posters have short memories of the dross we had at the club before he came. If the likes of Pep and Pochettino big him up well that's good enough for me. <ok>
     
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  5. southernwhite

    southernwhite Well-Known Member

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    <yikes> I hope not, leaving him to find the talent to take us back up <doh> think he is incapable of the task and it would take longer if not forever. He would have to go surely.
     
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  6. Irishshako

    Irishshako Well-Known Member

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    FFS he was arrogant now FFS Elland <doh> I give up. Ask the people of Leeds and whoever met him and see if the word arrogant comes up. Stubborn maybe, but arrogant bollocks.No one on here could coach a Premier team let a lone coach a bunch of Championship players at Premiership level.<doh>
     
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  7. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo Carlos

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    My real concern isn't going down so much now. My main issue is that we have two seasons of parachute payments to get back up before we resort to being a mid table club hoping for that miracle season.

    It's not very Leedsy to go down and bounce straight back up. We'll somehow manage to **** it up for 2 seasons and just continue to be a laughing stock.

    I just want the club to make sensible decisions. We are world class at destroying any progress we make with daft ideas or strange recruitment. It drives me insane as we should easily to top half of the PL with the size of the club. It shouldn't be that difficult to tap into the potential but somehow we manage to just Frank Spencer it over and over again. I'm just expecting more comical disasters because that's what we do.
     
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  8. leeds down south

    leeds down south Well-Known Member

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    Bounced back with a key win against Burnley and a good away win at West Ham. I had no reason to think the results wouldn't turn again.

    Would he have give Villa a goal had we been 2 pts behind Sheff Utd? Maybe he would, I'm not so sure. If we were being truly fair, we'd have finished the game with 10 men.
     
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  9. 2 pennth

    2 pennth Well-Known Member

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    Elland needs to come up here and drive round Leeds and district to see how many gable ends carry a portrait of the great man and they can’t be cheap to do just show’s what the locals think
     
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  10. FORZA LEEDS

    FORZA LEEDS Well-Known Member

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    To be fair to ell he called him arragant. **** knows what that means. <doh>

    Bielsa must have been the least arrogant coach in the PL. For arrogant coaches you don’t need to look too far….fat fwank, Arteta…
     
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  11. Mr Wolves-White

    Mr Wolves-White Well-Known Member

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    Really the best coach since Wilko we'll have to agree to disagree. I remember the Celino dross and the crap Colin brought in. If we hadn't sacked Larry we would prob have been in the Prem sooner.
     
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  12. Brizzlewhite

    Brizzlewhite Well-Known Member

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    First change has to be to stop this 18 man small squad plus 4 from the U23s - that messed up the first team and the U23s. No coincidence that the U23 are relegated and we're in the same mess. Bigger squad needed, less focus on being able to fill multiple positions and more on having a back up for EACH position.
     
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  13. Mr Wolves-White

    Mr Wolves-White Well-Known Member

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    And there are the points some people seem to forget
     
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    I loved Bielsa, when he signed on each season I was delighted. But the man is human, he made two fundamental errors. He didn't strengthen the squad last summer and again in January. I think the latter was the biggest error, we had so many injuries and everyone on here was screaming for a few loaness to get us to the end of the season. To gamble everything on the back of two good results in January was foolish. A sad end to a great period with Leeds for a great man but I think we would already be relegated if he hadn't gone. Might not matter come 6pm on Sunday, we'll probably be relegated anyway
     
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  15. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I'm not talking about his relationship with fans, which admittedly was second to none, I'm talking about his refusal to adjust his tactics, conceding 20 + goals in four of five games, and then being surprised that he got the boot!
     
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  16. Mr Wolves-White

    Mr Wolves-White Well-Known Member

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    Not being funny we should be beating Burnley, it's Burnley. I'll admit West Ham was a good result. We should have gained momentum to carry on not gain 1 point in 8 games.
     
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  17. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    You mean like Chris Wilder did with a League 1 side?

    These SO CALLED Premiership players are Championship players who managed to 'play up' for a season during their prime.

    Second season, they were unable to keep it going!
     
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  18. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I'm not doubting his relationship with Leeds Utd or the fans - that's not at doubt. I'm saying he is solely responsible for Leeds relegation and to quote Richard Keys "Bielsa left a team brutalised by his regime – absolutely shot – running on empty".
     
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  19. leeds down south

    leeds down south Well-Known Member

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    Apologies if I've missed anyone (or double counted)
    Meslier v Ederson
    Klaesson v Steffen
    Ayling v Walker
    firpo v Cancelo
    Cooper v Stones
    Koch v Ake
    Llorente v Dias
    Strujik v Laporte
    Dallas v Zinchenko
    Forshaw v Gundogan
    Phillips v Fernandinho
    Klich v Rodri
    Harrison v Grealish
    Shackleton v De Bruyne
    Gelhardt v Foden
    Raphinha v Mahrez
    James v Sterling
    Rodrigo v Bernardo Silva
    Bamford v Jesus
    Roberts v I've run out of Man City players

    Now maybe the balance of our squad isn't quite right. Relying on Forshaw given his injury record not wise. Gelhardt not as settled in the 1st team as the Man City comparisons. Shackleton and Roberts probably way off PL quality. I just can't criticise size given Man City played on top; Community Shield, 4 extra FA Cup games and 12 Champions League games.
     
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  20. southernwhite

    southernwhite Well-Known Member

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    Said it on numerous occasions if wasn't for Bates, we would have been going places with that team simon Grayson mostly built from nothing, exciting to watch as well, but that team needed a quality defender or two, but bates was only interested in cashing in and not building/investing in the club, so our demise followed.
    As you all say Radz did dig deep as much as he could, but the money was blown by Orta and Bielsa.
    deja vu, different scenario but possibly with a similar outcome. :emoticon-0101-sadsm
     
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