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Not football, but politics in football again question?

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  1. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    So no muslim players should be in France or England, or anywhere? Keep politics out of football
     
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  3. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    I think politics & football should be separate, which is why I’m against taking the knee, I may agree with the sentiment behind it, but not the action itself, because whether you like it or not taking the knee IS a political statement, and as such has no place in football.
     
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    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Any religion should be allowed in football, and as in any workplace peoples religious beliefs should be respected, but everyone whatever their religion has to stick to the rules of the industry they work in. I don’t see that the two are separate.
     
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    ALOT OF THEM WANT cHRISTMAS WITH PAY AND THEIR OWN HOLIDAY /RELIGIOUS DAYS/ WEEKS
     
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    Only fair they take one or the other, but not both. The difficulty is as a Christian country many industries close down for Christmas
     
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    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    Football is a sport played and enjoyed by people of all faiths but should never be used to make either a political or religious statement. The knee taking is beyond it's best before date and hopefully will disappear for next season because whether we like it or not the issue of racism will never go away because hatred of things different is rife throughout the world. Displays of any religious nature should be banned during the games and that includes stopping the match to allow people to break their fast because I reckon not only could the issue be resolved at half time, or some other convenient point outside of match time, but could upset some viewers. Religion has never been part of the game until now and I just think the politically correct bunch are going way over the top on this one.
     
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    lord ( am i aliowed to use that word?)i really am starting to feel like a complete and utter dinosaur, while i dont want upset anybody,i just think the whole taking the knee thing etc, has been ambushed by left wing activists, and become a meaningless political tool, yes plenty of things within the game need improving.. ie accusations of abuse within the youth system etc, but for gods sake save the game from self serving people with a politcal agenda.
     
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  9. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    What are the rules here?
     
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    The article isn’t clear why he didn’t play, in general though he’s contracted to the club so should Play. As for wearing an armband that goes against his religion, I don’t see they can make him wear one. I can’t comment other than that because we don’t know the circumstances.
     
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    I think it’s accepted he didn’t play as he refused to wear the shirt with the numbers in rainbow format on their backs. He took this stance as a Muslim for whom homosexuality is illegal. While I think that rationale is highly flawed, it is his belief, and shouldn’t be made to do anything that makes him uncomfortable or go against his faith.
     
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    It looks as the circumstances are as above.

    I quoted your post because you mentioned the rules, and football wasn't a morality test, its a game.
     
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    Its a business like any other business, players are contracted to their club, and are similarly contracted to work (play) for their employer, as I am to my mine.
     
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    Football isn't a business like any other. Football is a sport played for the benefit of its customers (fans).
     
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    The relationship between the business (club) and their employees (players) is still controlled by a contract, essentially the employer ( the club) pays the employee ( the player) to perform their given role. In return the players have an obligation to perform their role. As I said we don’t know the circumstances, ie, is there a dispute between the two? Did the club expect the player to wear an armband which he felt he couldn’t do?, Did the club give him an ultimatum, wear the armband or don’t play?, on the other hand did the player just not turn up, there are lots of different scenarios,
     
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    Not having that. **** all like being up a scaffold and no one asks us to wear rainbows!!!
     
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    Obviously the nature of the work you do depends on the business you are in, the principle is the same though,
     
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    mentioned before, I did 3 years on nights with a national retail company [ certain workers wanted it both ways with pay ] on Christmas eve worked stopped around midnight ... vehicles were mostly loaded for Boxing day deliveries leaving depot about 7am morning shift started at 6am night shift at 10pm another shift filled in between the 2 ... pay was triple time, double time+ day off or pay with 2 off. certain religions wanted not holiday days off with pay [ limited number allowed, if they so wished first come first served ]later in year their religious festivals wanted time off with pay and or up to triple time! ............ told one or the other!
     
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    Not sure its fella, if you started telling people like the scaffolders how to think it wouldnt go very well. Were not up there to be supporting political messages its work for money and thats it.

    Thing is though if we’re meant to live in a free society where we all have our own opinions surely this PSG player has the right to do what he want, but it seems its a no for him.
     
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    Not suggesting telling them what to think, but if they didn’t turn up for work, they would soon no longer have a job
     
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