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When has Palestine ever been a Muslim country? It was part of the Babylonian Empire, then the Persian Empire, then the Roman empire, then the Ayubbid Caliphate, then the Kingdom of Jerusalem, then the Mameluk Sultanate, then the Ottoman Empire, then the British Empire and finally it was partitioned into Israel and Palestine. It had never been an independent Muslim country prior to 1948, always conquered and occupied by different nations once after another.

You tell us all not to fall for the BS spread by the west, but then fall for the same BS spread by the Arab countries that want to use the idea of a purely Muslim Palestine as a weapon to beat Israel with. The simple fact is that there are no clear solutions in that part of the world. It's a mess, with neither side having the moral high ground, so don'tclaim it's simple.

 

You appear to talk with almost glee and approval of Islamic growth in the world and also how Muslims should be allowed to do what they like in their own countries. Such a view works both ways. I take it then taking your sentiments to their logical conclusion; that non Muslim countries should be allowed to do what they please just like Muslim ones? If so surely they can if they choose demonise Islam? Not saying they should but going by your argument they surely have that right.

Also you say if Islam is so bad why is it growing? Silly point dear boy. Lymes disease is recognised as the fastest growing disease in the world but its not a good thing. Untreated the disease can afflict the heart, nervous system, joints and other organs.

You try to speak with logic and indeed authority but you come across as ignorant and silly.

 

Stam just cause you don't fall for it does not mean others don't. My mum is white English and not particularly religious and my dad is Muslim but not very strong religiously but I am Muslim. Some people understand about Islam and some don't but when I hear rubbish about Islam it annoys me. People try to translate The Quran from over a 1400 years word for word in english. I can read Arabic as well but the meaning is very different in Arabic to the translation in English and the meaning is also different. It annoys me when people brand all Muslims people as "evil" when they are not and most are actually kind and want peace which is all religion is about. But I understand an opinion is a opinion and if people don't like Muslims then honestly I don't care and I would not retaliate as nothing will stop me following my faith. I would rather die than not follow my faith and that is one thing no one could take from me.

 

Nohlman you have no clue. You have been brainwashed plain and simple. That is what religion does. It convinces you of a world that is false and makes you swear blind faith to it.

I ask you, would you walk off a cliff if your cult told you too? No you wouldnt, why, because what benefit could you possibly get from doing so? None.

The reason they dont ask you to do that sort of thing is because people would suss out the con.

Religion is about control and control only. Religion means government. Thats what it is and thats what is was created for 25000 years ago or more. Early religions used the Sun and the Moon as the figure heads. They were choses as they not only dominated the skyline but they provided everything the people needed. Light, heat, time, date. Heaven was basically space. A vast place where no living soul had ever been. Think of the amount of myth and legend people could conjure up from that sort of thing.

Over the years religion became more organisied. Instead of scattered cults believing in their own unique kind of faith they started to become mainstream. People were kept uninformed and were made to fear what they could not see, hear or touch. An invisible force capable of bringing great joy and pain. This is where god comes into in. Originally the sun and the moon it evolved into a man controlling a kingdom. Basically the smae as on earth.

I mean its no coincidence gods are often depicted dressed as people dressed 1000s of years ago. Its when they were created after all.

To be religious you cannot question your faith as if you truely do question it with an open heart you will denounce it.

also, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all the same religion. Makes it even funnier how these idiots hate each other when they follow the same cult under different names.

Islams a fast growing religion because muslims have one of the highest birth rates on earth. Infact one of the highest ever. Bit thick really when most middle east coluntries are poor and many will simply starve to death or live in awful poverty for the rest of their lives.

As I said, some Islamic hellholes are starting to change. We will see how it all goes because if the people of the middle east vote in some islamic government we are right back to square one.

 

UnitedinRed

Your opinion, and you can say what you want but it won't change nothing. I will continue to practice my religion whether anti-Islamic people like yourself like it or not. I can't be bothered to go into a religious debate with you and I have nothing against non religious people. I live my life and you live your life. The arab world can vote in who they like and of course it will be based on Islam as they are muslim after all and thats how they will want it to be.

 

Fair enough but I am right.

Look into your religion and then look into others, trace it back through the years and you will end up and people in caves worshipping the sun and moon because they were not clever enough to understand how the 2 objects floated in the air.

they would do well to vote in a neutral leader with no religious beliefs. As would all countries.

 

See this is said all the time.

My view is without religion the good in mankind would of still existed. The helpfulness, the caring and the charitable stuff mankind does in order to help less fortunate people out would still of happened.

Religion didnt make us civilised at all. Far from. In fact it slowed down our development.

Plus if god was real there would only be one religion, nobody would of got confused about it, there would be religion and that would be it. Instead there are loads of different ones, even different types of certain religion. People need to smarten up.

 

If we are debating about people dieing. Then whether there is religion or not there will always be murders and mass killings as thats human nature. Religion is just used as a excuse for disgraceful behavior. You may believe your right United but I believe your wrong but as I said I am not getting into this.

 

Luis still waiting for an answer.

 

Constrcrepe

Demonising a group of people is hating a group of people. Hate is very dangerous thing and in masses it always leads to a genocide of some sort as history shows, Final solution, Bosnia Muslims, Rwanda etc. When I stated Muslims can do what they want in their countries. I meant they should be allowed to control THEIR gas and oil reserves and should be allowed to practice their religions. I did not say they should hate the west.

 

and thats the beauty of opinion.

I commend you Nohlman for not calling me a racist or anything like that. I have my opinion, as you can see I dont just state muslims are horrible and should die. I have a problem with the religion not the people.

Your right aswell, religion is just an excuse for trouble. better to remove the excuse imo.

I mean, couldnt you believe in god in you own way. Not only would it be closer to you as its your god it would be more comforting than one manufactured for you. Your god doesnt need to punish you for being free. He could support you and for you his existance is unquestionable because he would be yours and nobody elses.

Faith is fine, I have faith in United to do well, I have faith in my little sister to do well in life and i have faith in myself. Organising something like faith is wrong.

 

Yes, but if religion didn't exist mankind would have invented it anyway. Our curiousity and self awareness means that we want to know more about ourselves and understand the reason we exist and our place in the universe. Hence we will invent religions, if none exist that satisfy our need for answers and our perceptions of what religion should entail.

If you look at the major religions of the world, they were almost all founded in response to the deficiencies and excesses of the existing major religions of the time. Which is why there are so many of them, and they are all so culturally similar to the political and social systems of the countries in which they were developed and are most widespread.

 

I want a simple answer by one of you science experts and I would like a alternative theory to the creation of the universe and life by God.

The most common explanation I have learnt mainly the Big Bang theory. It explains the existence of the universe in an evolutionary manner having an initial beginning with an immense explosion of some gases or solid mass. I have asked what was before and searched and some have said, there was first a void or nothingness or perhaps, some gases which exploded then from this everything in the universe simply began to evolve to the stage that we see now. Honestly I don't buy this theory totally as nothing cant become something without a trigger of some sort.

Also in the Quran I was reading about creation and it explained the stages of ebryo development something which was not discovered until 19th century. Here is the verses
[39:6] He created you from one person, then created from him his mate. He sent down to you eight kinds of livestock. He creates you in your mothers' bellies, creation after creation, in trimesters of darkness. Such is GOD your Lord. To Him belongs all sovereignty. There is no other god beside Him. How could you deviate?
[71:13]'Seeing that it is He that has created you in diverse stages?

Surah Mu'minoon (23) verses 12-14


Man, We did create from a quintessence (of clay); (12)

Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest firmly fixed; (13)

Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then We developed out of it another creature: so blessed be Allah, the Best to create! (14)

 

I suspect before the big bang there was a universe already. I suspect it came to the end of its cycle and everything collapsed inwards causing the big bang and thus starting everything over again.

The Universe expands outwards until a point in which it stops expanding and begins to shrink.

this would explain the big bang. It doesnt answer where everything came from originally though but I would suspect everything already existed in the form of matter.

 

"I suspect before the big bang there was a universe already"

However, something had to create that

I suspect and I believe is not good enough but anyways nice debating with you guys as I am watching Barcalona vs Arsenal. Who do you want to win

 

Interesting posts on middle east politics here.Just to inject a bit of football into this I was in Libya last year and watched Al ittahad,who are the best supported team in the country,play some good attractive football.Like United they play in red so I brought a shirt back with me.Gives the boys something to comment on in the pub as if they needed any excuse to talk United!