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The Official Not606 Indian GP Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Forza Bianchi, Oct 20, 2011.

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Who will reign supreme in India?

Poll closed Oct 28, 2011.
  1. Sebastian Vettel 349pts

    31.4%
  2. Jenson Button 222pts

    28.6%
  3. Fernando Alonso 212pts

    8.6%
  4. Mark Webber 209pts

    5.7%
  5. Lewis Hamilton 196pts

    20.0%
  6. Felipe Massa 98pts

    2.9%
  7. Nico Rosberg 67pts

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Michael Schumacher 60pts

    2.9%
  9. Vitaly Petrov 36pts

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Other (Please Specify)

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  1. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not saying Glock shouldn't be allowed to race, I just don't get why they're saying he should start last because of the 107% rule when they're not even using it. They should either enforce it or ignore it.
     
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  2. TomTom94

    TomTom94 Well-Known Member

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    They would be prepared to let him race because there is no danger or Hamilton not being within 107%.
     
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  3. allsaintchris.

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    I think they also look at teh balance of probabilities. If without the mechanical failure he would likely have been within 107%, then they let him race.

    As his team-mate was inside the 107%, it is assumed he would be, so he gets to race.

    When there were more than 26 cars trying to qualify on a grid, it would have been tough luck and he would have been out as someone else would have qualified in his place.
     
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  4. allsaintchris.

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    Remember in Australia, the HRT's weren;t allowed to race.

    This was because at no point during the weekend did the look like being inside the 107% rule. Where a team/drivers has shown through the weekend they have been within 107%, then if they are outside of this in qualifying adn there are reasons for this, they get allowed to race.

    It's not in F1's interests to have anything less than a full grid where possible.
     
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  5. Forza Bianchi

    Forza Bianchi Well-Known Member

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    Alonso could be a big player in tomorrow's race. Not only does his car have a 5kph top speed advantage over the Red Bull's, but Webber sucks at the start. It's Alonso vs Vettel tomorrow.
     
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  6. EternalMSC

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    I think you all would agree that this is the most confusing transition from Qualifying to Sundays race we have ever experienced. ;)
     
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  7. Masanari

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    Alonso also gets mighty starts and is 2/10ths quicker in sector 1 so has a chance of being ahead or very close to Vettel on the first lap.

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    I hope Alonso does jump at least Webber because then we should get a proper fight, if Webber keeps second behind Vettel then we all know what will happen then.
     
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  8. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Until the primes go on.
     
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  9. EternalMSC

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    He has a point Forza, as Brundle said.
     
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  10. Jarel258

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    Hopefully the Ferrari's Pace won't fade as soon as the 'OPTIONS' go on, but I fear it will...
     
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  11. Masanari

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    Didn't they use the hard tyres at Silverstone?
     
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  12. Jarel258

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    It was wet at the start then dried out so no need for hard tyres the softs went straight on.
     
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  13. Masanari

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    That explains it. :(
     
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  14. Forza Bianchi

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    Well tyre deg is similar to Korea apparently, so Ferrari should easily be able to do three stops with a very short hard tyre stint. When they do use the hard tyre, they should only be slow in the first few laps - and the high temps should make things better. Besides, Alonso got a fast lap out of the primes quickly in Q1 - and Ferrari had no problems when they used hard tyres in Silverstone FP3 and Q1.
     
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  15. Forza Bianchi

    Forza Bianchi Well-Known Member

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    Apparently Button is using the old front wing, Hamilton is using the new one.
     
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  16. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Is that JB's choice? There'd be uproar if the same scenario happened at Red Bull, Ferrari, Mercedes or Force India.
     
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  17. Forza Bianchi

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    I don't know, I just found the info on the F1 site:
    http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2011/863/911.html

    Things are equal at McLaren so it was probably Button's choice - however it might be a possible explanation as to why he didn't feel as comfortable with the car as Hamilton in qualifying.
     
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  18. allsaintchris.

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    Mistake on Button's part then.

    Out of interest, say Button had an incident on lap 1 and had to change the nose, could they put the new one on instead of replacing it with another old spec one at the pitstop?
     
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  19. u408379965

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    No, replacement parts have to be identical. Otherwise they could run an underweight car and (theoretically) stick a 100kg front wing on for the last lap.
     
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  20. Kyle?

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    I'm hoping for a Massa podium. Over long runs yesterday, he seemed to have the edge over Alonso.
     
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