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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    The issue was n this is the lying cheating and manipulation, the failure to stick to the rule of law, parliamentary procedures have turned people away from politics per se. Labour should have honoured a better more balanced version of Brexit, the Tory right wingers should have done the same in line with the 51/49 vote then this mess wouldn’t have happened.
     
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  2. vic9

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    Aye get what you are saying,I voted for Brexit purely for the democratic principles, the one negative thing about brexit was the end of the political career of the only honest MP in my lifetime….the one and only Dennis Skinner(ironically anti EU)
     
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  3. vic9

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    Party politics to be honest marra bores me and is immature ,I wouldn’t trust not one single MP in there, like I said once The Beast of Bolsover departed so did honest and truthful statements
     
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    Can’t understand why people wanted to leave?
     
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    One of my favourite Dennis Skinner moments was when he said "Half of these Tories are liars", the speaker asked him to rephrase that as MP's are not allowed to call each other liars. Skinner replied "Alright then, half of these Tories tell the truth" <laugh>
     
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  6. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    I agree with much of this, he at least had principles - I just have an issue with the people we trusted, who play at democracy to get the power to exploit democracy and they negotiated a deal that benefits none of us as far as I can see. It reduces our income, our rights and our relationships

    I think it was you who said that there has to be a windfall tax. It’s a long old watch but he gives Sunak a good old beating about it today and even savages the standard Tory response with facts. I can’t see much reasons not to have it other than ideology but it looks like they’ll not be doing it. Of course Sunak has had a lot of windfalls
    https://fb.watch/d3BxDORCVX/
     
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  7. vic9

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    Like I said mate,party politics is like a school yard,ALL of them are full of s***
     
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  8. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    I’ve said this for years. We need PR so people have to collaborate and negotiate, we need to get out of the commons with it’s terrible set up and mix the MP’s up in a circular space. The us v them model just drags us down and is divisive. Plus we need more every day people and more younger people . I don’t necessarily agree with Rayner on a lot but I like her journey into politics rather than Oxbridge or the bar. It’s too much of a pantomime as it exists and too many just don’t get the impact of it all. It pains me to hear people hate migrants but equally it’s the poorest who often live amongst it. The cost of living now is a game and it’s life changing. Pisses me off.
     
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    Sad to say mate I’d forgot he was once leader of the Labour Party, but even more sad is he still pisses all over that wet blanket Starmer, There will be a wind fall tax I’m sure before long.
     
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  10. Sunderpitt

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    I am not sure if this will be of interest, but for my sins I am a govenor at my g'kids school. The Govt has issued a green paper on SEND, (Special Education Needs and Disabilities)... SEND like the NHS, Education, Police etc has been run down and their new Green paper wants to pare down costs more. Below are my thought that i have sent to my fellow governors.

    Special Educational Needs and Disabilities


    Dept Of Education Green Paper



    Some brief comments on the,


    Green Paper from The Dept of Education about Special Educational needs and Disabilities.


    16th May 2022



    Following from the curriculum meeting where SENDs were touched on, I guess we all received an email given us access to the Green Paper on SENDs.


    Generally following all the years of austerity a couple of examples act as a litmus test for me:-


    1.Suppose a family needs £100 per week, to pay rent, energy bills food clothing etc. Despite working their income and benefits are only £60 pw. Politicians will boast they have perhaps given a 10% increase to that family making their income £66 pw, still way below what is needed to make ends meet. Then of course a rise in energy bills and other inflation would wipe out any small increase anyhow.

    2.A friend of mine used to work on health economics. He always acknowledged that the NHS within its own ‘statistical head office’ had a very good idea of the number of say, deaths, births, cancers, knee/hip replacements, serious mental illnesses etc in England that were likely in any one period. So it was not a difficult calculation to work out how many hospitals and their staffing are required to meet urgent and regular demand.

    3.its often said that ‘demand’ will never be satisfied. However there are only so many serious illnesses, accidents etc so the demand for them can be considered finite. Arguments over what should be included in the serious definition is an obvious debate. To meet this finite demand criteria the number of hospital and staffing can easily be estimated. Currently England is woefully short of dozens of hospitals and the staffing of them by several hundred thousand, even if the definition of serious illnesses, was narrow, i.e. urgent to save life or hugely enhance it, the provision of health care in England, is in terms of the family income above stuck on the significantly short of the minimum to survive £60 pw in the example above. Say that funding increases that are less than inflationary pressures are do nothing to improve the under resourcing. Year after year even before the pandemic, winter illnesses almost brought the NHS into major crisis.

    4.Following the lockdown in schools, Sir Kevin Collins was appointed the Governments ‘catch-up’ chief…The government’s education catch-up chief has resigned in protest over the prime minister’s scaled-down recovery plan, warning it “does not come close” to meeting the needs of children whose education has been thrown into chaos by the pandemic.


    So SEND,


    I sometimes think, although the Department of Education staff have to obviously do as directed by their political masters, they do seek at ties to let a glimpse of what they really think.


    Although from a preliminary read of the paper it is bad news, in that it is very plain that SEND in schools is massively underfunded.


    the paper hints, as with the NHS, that they do have information on the numbers of mental and physical difficulties and the numbers in each category that exist at present and that likely in the furtue.. Presumably this paper as with the Catch-Up work by Sir Kevin Collins, could have set out the size of the need and what resources were needed to meet them. If fails to do that.


    Right in the introduction:-


    Despite unprecedent investment but as in the examples above if the existing provision is woefully inadequate, its disingenuous to make such statements.


    Inefficient resource allocation , this is trying to imply adequate resources have been provided and local education authorities have been wasting them!


    SEND and alternative provision is financially unsupportable perhaps this is what the paper is really about, i.e. reducing spend on SEND.


    There are to be some small pots of money to sweeten the actions to come.


    However the main proposals


    Are for centralisation...


    Making it tougher for schools to turn away SENDs


    Teacher’s training to have more SEND input


    Local authorities to be held to account for not meeting targets




    A number of years ago I did have some brief contact with the Kids Company charity. Headed up by the very charismatic Camila Batmaghelidjh. A few months ago the charity was cleared of fraud, but found to be mismanaged. Camila would write and hand out cheques as required and cheques she received were just put in a drawer…she was not an administrator!

    However what she did was to be a superb advocate for children with mental and/or physical needs. She had a very simple idea, pile in all the resources of various specialists and specialism to children whilst they were young and you had a very good chance of preventing them becoming adults with problems. She had a lot of success with this model.

    Obviously it was initially very expensive to begin with, but the payoff many times over was 10, 20 years down the line when the transformed person no longer needed say NHS help or did not end up on the streets/in prison etc. In other words prevention now but huge saving later. The PM David Cameron bought into this idea.


    This Green Paper seems to ignore all this wisdom in order to drive down education SEND budgets. Very short sighted.


    Whilst writing these few notes, the news is telling me the government is doing a U turn on some legislation to help prevent obesity, particularly in children. Unhealthy people cost the NHS a fortune.
     
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  11. Smug in Boots

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    Who's the rapist, should we accept everyone makes mistakes and move on ...

    ... or should we wait for the Sue Gray enquiry.

    Conservative MP in custody after being arrested on suspicion of rape and sexual assault.
    Tuesday 17 May 2022, 7:00pm
     
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    Been told to stay away from Westminster... Screenshot_20220517-195721.png
     
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    Is this the one who was watching gay porn in the House or a different one ...

    ... and does anyone know if he's been raping men or women.

    I'm starting to lose track <laugh>
     
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    The Sun have not said who it is...we could open the betting...

    It won't be Rees 'Mogg (not capable) so long odds.

    How about dishy rishy?

    Baldy ie health sec?
     
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    20220517_201453.jpg Keep saying this, but these lot are beyond parody....<laugh>
     
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    Of course his wife will stand by him and blame the victims, guaranteed.
     
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    Twitter has it as Mark Francois
     
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  18. Pure River Slut

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    Hopefully. The riches of a few and the struggles of many are making everyone unsafe.
     
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    Lots I work with on criminal exploitation are SEND (SEMH) so I’m often in SeND settings. The SEND school and PRU model is a massive challenge ie pooling together children who struggle to feel safe and act safely. However try putting these into settings like academies where there is business in keeping the other kids and performance tables govern choices which govern bums on seats which govern income/ business models. The strategy and how the business of education operates per se can’t be separated as one target creates a problem for another until the care or custody system pays. It’s time we measured performance on wellbeing not preparation for wealth then the results will follow and the integration will happen.
     
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  20. Gordon Armstrong

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    . . . . and on the opposition side
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