Transfer Rumours Let's ignore the big ****ing elephant and blame the latest manager, again. Are we nearly there yet?

It’s one thing giving up on any trophy or any top 4. But play without any organisation to be humiliated? Why is he being paid?

All the hype about Rangnick being a guru has proved a terrible joke. Guru v novice. The guru is so much worse. You just couldn’t make it up. He himself was brought to salvage top 4 but he couldn’t do that. He said himself he’s been a failure. Will be lucky to get 6th tbh.

 

Does it matter if we don't?

 

The manager isn’t to blame for Brighton, your players are.

 

Sure. Some of us said that prior to this manager. But we were told it’s 100% fault of the manager. This team is clearly poorly coached and managed. Ironic that the same people now say that it’s the players

No matter how you look at it, which angle you want to take. Rangnick has been pure unadulterated **** and a ****ing disaster.

 

What do you think Rangnick was here to do?

 

Manage the team? It was obviously too much to ask. He’s only here to assess the players and leave them to do their own thing

 

I’ve just watched the highlights on MOTD, Ronaldo was actually laughing I think when the fourth goal went in. Why you chose Rangnick I don’t know, the players obviously don’t respect him but they appear to have no self respect themselves. You have no dominating personality in your team to take charge. you had multiple in your title winning teams

 

He is not known as a manager, you are right about the assess bit though.
By the time he was brought in it was quite obvious the very best we could aim for was top 4, another season basically gone.
It was time to stop bringing in manager after manger to try and get a tune out of a mixed bag of others opinions so a man was brought in to spend time with the players, observe how the club was run and advise on the best course of action to repair the damage that has been caused by a decade of total **** ups.
Come the summer we will see how his recommendations are taken and if they work. This man is on public record as saying the only part of the team that doesn't need strengthening is the goal keeping department yet for some reason you seem to have expected him to win the league for us.

 

I think we've kidded ourselves of progress when we've finished top 4 in the recent past. Once any realistic notion of a title challenge was gone, and we were struggling to get out the group stages of the CL again, it really didn't matter by the time Ole left what happened. It was clear a whole change of philosophy and infrastructure was needed. That's all that matters.

As I've posted countless times, I'm excited by Ten Hag, by what's happening with the likes of Murtough. And by what happens in once the manager comes in. I'm looking forward not back.

 

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That is beneath you . You know full well I didn’t expect him to win the ****ing title for us. No one sane would have expected him to come close to that. Right or wrong, the owners felt it was time to change so that the team could improve its results. He clearly was given getting 4th as one of his key tasks. He said he failed in that task that should clearly have achievable despite the difficulties.

just because the title is gone from the first few months of the season’s doesn’t mean the team should just fold and stop playing. Some here think that but we ****ing need to have pride and the team should be ashamed that they get constantly humiliated as if they hardly spend time on the training pitch.

 

Now on that we both agree, i was also one who blamed the players for many of our problems under Ole, the job was too big for him but the players took total advantage of the fact he's a nice man and basically strolled around having fun.
Even if they didn't believe in what he wanted them to do it doesn't excuse them from being professional and using the ability many of them clearly have to take control of games.

 

Surely you mean Rangnick as well as Ole. Rangnick hasn’t done any better, in fact by common consensus he’s done much much worse. No matter what people say to excuse him, he’s been recruited to also get results. Otherwise what’s the point?

I know he’s only interim and wasn’t expected to pull trees. But he’s worse than anyone could have feared. Spurs and Arsenal have hardly been consistent and there was an opportunity to still get 4th or to give good performances if we had a half decent manager as interim. He’s the worst in terms of man management as it seems he is completely removed from the rest of the team. They do their own thing and he provides the commentary. “We didn’t do this or that. We provided too much space…” yes yet what the **** are you doing to remedy that? You are the ****ing manager and paid handsomely to do it FFS.

 

We don’t need fourth place nonsense, Christian. I think that your gripe with Rangnick is primarily to prove a point about Ole. Which for me leaves a wide hole in your argument because you spent the prior three years defending a manager that clearly wasn’t good enough. You held on to hope for so long when it was clear it would never materialize. You’ve even pointed to 2nd and 3rd place as though we became some sort of a force under Ole.

Rangnick is clearly not a coach and has been a failure on the pitch. There is no argument to be had there. But there are things in motion that I observe from Rangnick’s interviews that his very purpose was to get the team through to the end of season and do a complete reset based on his assessment. The culture is broken to the core and you can’t fix it with just another manager, regardless how good, without completely purging the players that we currently have. Not because they are actually not good enough, but because they have learned all the bad habits from Ole that will take far longer time to unlearn. Also, the board didn’t agree to buying new players in January which adds credence to the argument even more that they, the board, have completely lost faith in the current team and it’s culture.

The catch here is that we can’t talk about Rangnick’s tenure without admitting to what got us here. What we have now is Ole’s culture. Not Rangnick’s! Again this is clear when you hear him in interviews.

Overall, the time to get angry is certainly not now. That anger should have been felt 18-24 months ago when all the signs were there that Ole was a mistake. For me, now that we already have a plan in place for next season, that development is far more important than any humiliation we have to live through in the next week as the season ends and the true rebuild begins.

 

I really don’t know where to start in replying to this. A rant full of contradictions.

in an earlier post you rightly said Rangnick must own the rubbish he’s put out as Ole is now gone for months but then you say it’s all Oles culture and the players having ole’s bad habits. Make up your mind man.I think we’ve all agreed that it was the culture of the club from Woodward and the wrong managers including Ole that’s brought us to this dreadful culture. And no I’m not proving any point about Ole. I’ve not even mentioned him and it’s about his replacement pure and simple. He’s simply **** as a manager and I can’t see why we couldn’t have a proper one as an interim. Yes, the season may have gone from November or December but we had loads of matches to play still. And Rangnick couldn’t get a proper team on the pitch. His post assessments while blaming everyone from players to the executives never include any criticism of his own performance. He’s pure **** and he knows it.

I can’t wait for the season and the humiliations to end.

 

At least we all agree the season can't end soon enough.

Say, conceptually, Carrick had been caretaker manager and got us 4th place and champions league.

Would then the media call have been to give him the job full time, like everyone did with Ole, and the ****wit Woodward just do what they said?

Then he'd have also been ****e, inevitably, and the whole cycle would start again.

In employing Rangnick, who is completely detached both professionally and emotionally, they gave him a free hit to be as ****e as this but also a hired gun who can out the spoofers.

Spoofers we all knew existed but most were too scared to say because they were good at dancing on Instagram. Hits and that, or something.

We're better off without the champions league next season, **** that.

Be ****e if we ended up in the conference though, can't lie. I don’t think that was the remit.

 

The point is that your observations about how critical a manager is to the process is a little too late. I only wish you were this vocal when it actually mattered the most.

Either way, this is not the time for ranting. That time is long gone because we now know what the plan is, and it is going to be very different to the present.

 

Yes let’s look forward and **** the recent past and the present. We’ve got a manager supposedly at the top of his game. He deserves the fans support. He’s leading us when we are at a very low ebb. Players who do not give 100% and reluctant to follow the manager should be booted out. No exceptions. I’ve had my fill of ****ers who don’t deserve to wear the shirt and drag the name of the club in the gutter.

 

I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a convincing argument that convinces me that, by any single metric, sacking Ole and employing Rangnick was a success. Our results have been just as poor, but more importantly, morale within the squad has been destroyed and that is a legacy that will take years to put right.
I hear all the balls about Ole being too friendly (of course you were all flies on the wall and know the intimate workings of Ole's tenure) but whatever his failings, surely it wasn't beyond the board to have a word in his ear and give him the bad news - that he was on his way at the end of this season, and then crack on as we have done with the hunt for his successor.

I will stand by the view that the appointment of Rangnick has been one of the worst mistakes in footballing management ever. All talk about him assessing the squad is crap - Ten Hag won't give two ****s about Rangnicks opinion, he's his own man and will make his own mind up, the notion that he will come on board and use Rangnicks judgement as a blueprint is bollocks.

Dress it up whatever way you like, we would have been just as badly off, results wise, had we kept Ole, but the squad morale going into Ten Hag's tenure would have been a thousand times better. This club is on its knees because of Woodward and Rangnick

This will be Ten Hag in August

 

Nah, that's absolute bollocks to be perfectly honest.

What would have happened is Ten Hag rocks up in summer and the likes of Pogba, Lingard, Matic, Martial, Bailly, are all still there in the squad, waiting to gleefully **** him over.

Rangnick has dealt with that. They now won't be.

 

It amazes me that we are still here talking about how wonderful life would have been had we kept Ole as a manager. Just amusing!!

What basis is this argument even based on? Surely judgement on Rangnick should never be contingent on what might have been under Ole. We had Ole for 3 years FFS!

I really hope that by this time next year we will not be comparing ten Hag to our beloved Ole that should have been given a ten year contract.