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  1. Supcon72

    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

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    This is the first team squad from the club's official website. Who would you move on, be realistic as not everyone can go? It also highlights just how many kids are in the first-team squad. Many of them need time on loan to develop more. I have highlighted mine and some question marks over a couple.

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  2. Red Robin

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    Agree on all those- but there will be better players going as well.
    Williams needs to go if he cannot play more than one game at a time.
    Kalas will be gone.
     
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  3. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    Good question, I have put some obvious ones forward, there are youngsters at various stages of development as you mention, allow to develop.

    Callum O'Dowda
    Andy King
    Nahki Wells
    Zak Vyner
    Kasey Palmer
    Nathan Baker (Injury prone and age)
    Joe Williams (Keep and build back to strength)
     
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  4. Supcon72

    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

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    Ok then, who can we not afford to lose? For me we have to keep Weimann and Semenyo at all costs. If we lose HNM and Scott but get a good price that allows us to rebuild, then so be it. They both have potential but also drift in and out of games. A luxury we cannot afford right now. I don't see that many leaving tbh, the market is not there for it. If we can offload some high earners, then great, but it won't be easy. With gate income this season our financial position should improve quite a bit. I maintain, and we have seen it that wage wise, we are not a top paying side, but we have a bunch in the £15-20k a week that are not pulling their weight.
     
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  5. Red Robin

    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    5th highest wage budget tells me we have overpaid and the return we have had is poor.
     
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    I don't disagree with that at all, but we don't have any really big wage earners, which is why I struggle with how the numbers/losses are so high at City. Surely with income and a lot of players leaving last summer we will be better at the end of this financial year?
     
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  7. AshtonRed

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    I think in an idea world most would agree with your choices, although a fit Williams and Baker would both be extremely influential players. Wells and Palmer in reality are unlikely to go because no one will want their wages. There are also individuals that may attract offers and in our financial position can we really turn them down. The trouble is the players we most want to keep and build around are most likely to be the ones that we receive offers for & that’s the dilemma.
     
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  8. invermeremike

    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    We have reached a point where we are up the creek without a paddle due to the fact that some of the players who we should move on are on unrealistic salaries that other clubs will be unwilling to offer. Palmer is my first target because he has always seemed to be a person whose ego is more evident than his playing prowess and we just have to face the fact that he was a player that arrived at Ashton Gate with an oversized self worth. Zak Vyner has never floated my boat and I put him in a class just below Jay DeSilva who however has put in better performances of late but I'm not sure whether or not that will be enough for him to stay. The injury prone players need to be moved on even though we all know a couple of them would be beneficial to the team as long as they stay off the treatment table - and they don't.

    The jury is still out for me on Kalas as I know he is a class player but prior to his injury he had fallen down my pecking order based on sloppier performances and mistakes and it surprised me that he didn't move on after the Euros. Over they years we have been masters at bringing in players that never quite reached the expectations and if they did they were very quickly on the way out the door. Quite honestly I don't see us as a club that will attract good players to stay longer term to fight the cause of promotion because whether we like it or not we are not a club endowed with glamour. The vultures will always land in BS3 when a decent player is spotted and we usually welcome them with open arms and a deflated bank balance which demands we sell our best assets and suffer the consequences.

    The job in hand for Nigel Pearson is a difficult one because he will be trying to offset years of neglect by our ownership especially in choosing the wrong people to do his bidding and then allowing them to rip apart what we had in place. I will confess that I expected more from NP in his first full year and now I have to believe that he can turn a perennial ugly duckling into a swan by formulating a different plan than the many others that have long since fallen by the wayside. Good luck Nigel.
     
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    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    I think we should get rid of Wells and Palmer and replace them with Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi but on less money because Palmer and Wells are overpaid and its all LJs fault for agreeing their wages as its part of his Head Coach's role of negotiating with the agents and agreeing renumeration terms and conditions.

    We should also replace the other players with Premiership-ready players because after all, we are the only ones in the market searching for talent and its simply due to bad management (only before NP of course) that we haven't got a squad of top-level players desperate to give their all for the shirt.

    If it wasn't for LJ we would be in the Champions League by now beating all the top European teams.











    (My serious bit is in BOLD btw)
     
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    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    I had already booked my flights to see us in the Champions League final. There are no serious bits in my post bcfcred.
     
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    Love it
     
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    Love it, straight out of the LJ handbook..
     
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    Ok here is one from left field. If you are trying to reduce the wage bill and raise cash would you let Kalas go? Yes he is our best centre half. But he is reported to be our biggest earner on £35k a week and someone may be willing to pay some money for him. Everyone says we need to rebuild the defense. Would you lose Kalas for for two good wing backs (£17.5k a week each). I am guessing but Kalas probably on as much as Atkinson, Cundy and Klose put together. Those 3 versus Kalas? I am not saying I want to loose Kalas, but in the hard financial world as it is would you definitely keep him? I find it interesting that we have let him have a minor op and rest so he is fully fit, is that for next season or so he can pass a medical when he is sold? Last 3 games we have been ok at centre back. Like I say one from left field that may be completely wrong.

    (Everyone says lose Palmer - but he has a year left so I am not sure without us paying some of his wages he will give up his current salary - so saving in losing palmer no where near as large as Kalas)
     
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    I’m not sure when he’s contracted too, but I’d certainly be looking to offer him much reduced wages at the very least, failing that, sell, I’m not sure anyone else would be interested at the wages he’s currently on.
     
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