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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Quite Possibly Raving

    Quite Possibly Raving Well-Known Member

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    I hope there's not a third politician out there called Imran Khan. If there is they will be avoiding ladders and 13th steps etc etc.
     
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    Is this the best we have in this country?!?! Ffs its embarrasing
     
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  3. sb_73

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    Please tell me that’s a spoof.
     
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    I know shes as thick as pig **** but surely its got to be a spoof!!
     
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    Just looked it up - although the address is hers there is a denial that she said it on her Twitter page. I have no doubt she believes it though.
     
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    Atrocities carried out by troops has happened forever. In modern times, perhaps the last 100 years or so, it's usually been soldiers carrying out revenge on other soldiers, maybe having witnessed their mates being wiped out etc. Rape and murder will undoubtedly have occurred too.
    All sides have done this, including our own, although discipline in the British armed forces is among the most stringent.
    But......these rapes and summary executions of innocent people by the Russian soldiers is absolutely horrific and is quickly dispelling the believe that they are blameless and that it's just Putin's war.
    Add to this the opinion polls showing overwhelming support for this invasion in Russia and it looks as though Russia could be an international pariah for a generation.

    As more and more instances of atrocities come to light the utter ****s need to be stopped.
     
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    BBC news routinely calling Marine Le Pen and National Rally as ‘extreme right’ or ‘far right’. Personally I think the right/left definition of everything is both simplistic and misleading. I have no doubt that she and her followers have got some pretty horrible ideas about people who don’t look like them, but if she is ‘extreme right’ Nigel Farage and several cabinet members should also be called that. Consistency, Beeb.
     
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    Which cabinet members would you describe as 'far right'?
    How would you define 'far right'?
     
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    I think you may have misconstrued his point, Col
     
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  10. sb_73

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    As I said I don’t think right and left is a useful definition anymore, so I haven’t got a clear definition, but if we are talking social values and nationalist tendencies (as opposed to patriotic feelings) which can be combined with socialist or free market economic policies, I’d say Rees Mogg, Dorries, Patel, Coffey, possibly Truss could be called ‘far right’ if Le Pen and Farage are characterised as that. But, once again, I don’t think it’s a helpful phrase (‘far left’ equally misleading) and I’d prefer not to use it.
     
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    As I’ve said before, Le Pen has dissolved herself and her new party of the previous policies and rhetoric of her father, which colluded definitely be described as “far-right”.

    I agree with your point G……I really don’t know what I am anymore.
     
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    Agree that 'left' and 'right' aren't useful as descriptions.
    I presume you mean that 'far right' is being used incorrectly, as that used to be Nazis etc?
    The cabinet members you mention I agree are certainty well to the right.
    Dorries is possibly the worst politician I can remember for a long time and there is ample competition.
     
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    It’s just misleading Col, because you can have right wing economics (free market, Hayek, Friedman etc) combined with very liberal social values, and left wing economics (Marx to Keynes) combined with very anti liberal social values (anti immigrant, anti abortion etc etc)with every possible combination in between. Stainsey’s mob are classic old style economic, class based leftists who have no truck with the identity politics of Labour at all. But they would be lumped together under a lazy ‘far left’ definition. Most of the parties that were once called extreme right have two things in common - ultra nationalism, and corporatist/statist economics - certainly not Tory free market. Add in a blood/race obsession and you have fascists.
     
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    Ahem…..Stainseys lovely bunch of chaps and ladies ;)
     
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    **** me, you going trans on us? Think you may need some conversion therapy quickly, before it gets banned
     
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    Every radio and TV news report on the French election describes LePen as 'far right' but gives no description of any other candidates. Hard to see how this can be fair reporting. They never described Corbyn as 'far left' during the general elections...
     
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    Wouldn’t it be a different world if Russia would have been allowed to join NATO back in 2001 ?
    Shame the distrust and concern from both sides scuppered that one
     
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    would nato have been needed anymore if russia was a member
     
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    Maybe not…..but I guess there would have been a new ‘enemy’ to be found somewhere.
    China perhaps ?
     
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    try and stay clear of that lot and their virus's
     
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