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Where Did All the Money Go?

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by wizered, Apr 8, 2022.

  1. RedorDead

    RedorDead Well-Known Member

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    Means **** all to FFP, so maybe it’s you that has no understanding on how things work.
     
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  2. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Why?, surely we’ve either fallen foul of FFP and will incur some kind of penalty, or we haven’t ?
     
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  3. RedorDead

    RedorDead Well-Known Member

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    Wasting your time, he is always correct in his head.
     
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  4. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    FFP IS CONTROLLING FINANCES WITHIN THE LEGAL RULES... so you make a loss you have not complied, but the safety net is you can make forever losses unless the total lost is more than £39 million in 3 seasons .. 3 new directors putting in £10m would be £30m to club accounts.... what the club does with them is common sense at the mo would help finances .. so therefore aiding help with keeping FFP WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES
     
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  5. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    OH PS 8 ... sponsorship also helps FFP
     
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  6. RedorDead

    RedorDead Well-Known Member

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    No it does not, you’ve really not got a clue have you.
     
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  7. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    ok Mr 8 give us your reasoning as to what happens to money in the accounts that has or [ doesnt have! lol] an effect on FFP

    First clue is FFP determines that a club runs with a legally determined Income over expenditure and over a 3 year period the aggregated figure must not exceed £39m ...........
     
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  8. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    If we exceed the limit we exceed it, it’s as straight forward as that, makes no difference whether directors put money in or not.
     
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  9. RedorDead

    RedorDead Well-Known Member

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    The owner/ chairman / shareholders are only allowed to put x into the accounts. Regardless if that is one person or 16 owners. SL puts that figure in already.
    It’s not really that difficult is it?
     
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  10. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    pray tell why would SL be trying to attract additional investors?
     
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  11. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    To spread the cost, at present he has to cover the full amount, if he brings in others they will share it. But the limit will stay the same. Just spread between more people it’s less each.
     
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  12. RedorDead

    RedorDead Well-Known Member

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    As Ashton said, he’s funding us year on year.
     
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  13. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    you [ or anyone , incase your reply is dont do the lottery! :emoticon-0140-rofl: ] win £x m on lottery decide to give / setaside 10% for BCFC would they accept your money?
     
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  14. RedorDead

    RedorDead Well-Known Member

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    Makes no difference to income v expenditure of running of the club for FFP.
    This is the last time I’m answering you on this. 2 people have tried explaining to you that you’re wrong.
     
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  15. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    so OK you dont understand that income v expenditure = profit or loss and FFP is in plav / the over sight to make sure that teams /clubs stay within the rules ...which is dont spend to much over income over a rolling period of 3 years

    it is all based on ........

    The UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations (FFP) were established to prevent professional football clubs spending more than they earn in the pursuit of success, and in doing so not getting into financial problems which might threaten their long-term survival. They were agreed to in principle in September 2009 by the Financial Control Panel of football's governing body in Europe (Union of European Football Associations – UEFA).

    The regulations provide for sanctions to be taken against clubs who exceed spending, over several seasons, within a set budgetary framework. Implementation of the regulations took place at the outset of the 2011–12 football season.[3] The severest penalty is disqualification from the European competitions.[4] Other penalties included fines, the withholding of prize money, and player transfer bans.
     
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  16. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    The key word is “earn”. SL or anyone for that matter, is not allowed to bank roll our success, our outgoings can be greater than what we “earn” by a set figure over I think it’s a rolling 3 year period, and £39m. The reason we’re in trouble is our model is to sell players largely, we also earn money from corporate events using the stadium and to a lesser extent footfall on match day, catering etc, all our main forms of income , especially players sales, were stopped altogether during covid. Had it not been for covid provided we could have sold players we’d probably have been ok, hence why we are appealing to not have sanctions etc. no amount of “donations” from wealthy individuals will change the fact we overspent by more than FFP allows.
     
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    Spot on
     
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  18. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    there was another site that stated "generate[d] as opposed to earn ... A company generates income from ... various things depending on company ....
    taking on additional shareholders is a means to expand ... most companies do it ... script issues/and etc etc etc.... unless you are savvy with business processes can be difficult to grasp without a lot of learning ..........

    this is very true, a disaster income became tv money and handouts and sponsorship .....
    no one is saying "donations" from anyone will help our situation regarding past FFP, covid or not ... .. CERTAINLY NOT ME ... we have to look to the future , and attract more money [ income ]
    When you say x y or z cant "donate" by legal methodology, money into the system you are wrong. If you believe it is not so, then we are in the pooo as SL HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS. We have pretty much just 1 shareholder, who is also supporting at least 4 other concerns. You need to understand equity and shares, if you dont then you are firing blanks!!!!
     
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  19. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    And you are talking bull——
     
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  20. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    Here is where a big chunk of the clubs money is spent ~

    Who is Bristol City's highest earner?
    Nahki Wells has the highest salary at Bristol City, earning £27,000 per week

    What is Bristol City's yearly wage bill in 2022?
    Bristol City total salary bill is £11,910,600 per year

    What is Bristol City's monthly wage bill in 2022?
    Bristol City total salary bill is £229,050 per week

    https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-championship/bristol-city/
    Sources - Press releases, news & articles, online encyclopedias & databases, industry experts & insiders.
     
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