Off Topic WW3 How Close?

should have happened weeks ago

 

I'm sure the SU57 is far more advanced, although they have barely a handful of these operational.

 

These are already obsolete (they are easy to spoof with chaff) and Harpoon Block 1C was due to be withdrawn from UK service in 2023 - leaving the navy with no over the horizon anti ship missiles.

Maybe by giving these Harpoons to Ukraine we can get some newly certified replacements from Uncle Sam to tide us over until we get a new missile system (the RN didn't want an interim replacement system, preferring to wait for hypersonic missiles to be developed).

 

How unfortunate...

 

Surprised he isn't leaving a brown trail behind him!

 

2022 Eurovison winner....

 

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...-latest-12541713?postid=3688619#liveblog-body

Sending a shiver down my spine, the more stuff like this happens, the more I want us (NATO) to go in. Though I know what the outcome will be.

 

I'm at the point where WWIII is preferable to us just allowing this to happen.

It's just dreadful.

 

in a conventional sense, I think we'd win against the Russian military quickly. Though the mad tw@t would probably send a load of nukes up.

 

He sure as hell would.

But if we decide to go into the likes of Iraq or Afghanistan in the future to "preserve democracy" we deserve to be nuked.

 

Unless the west make a stand, he'll always have the nuclear threat, we can't just let him march through Europe with impunity, he needs to be sent to hell soon.

 

Absolutely barbaric.

 

Every time you think the Russians couldn’t get any lower, they outdo themselves.

 

It’s the blaming of the Ukraines on Russian tv saying they are doing it themselves that I can’t believe.

 

Russian soldiers were celebrating the destruction of the railway station on Telegram (a social network platform still available in Russia) until the state stopped them and advised them that the official line was that it was the Ukranians what done it.

 

One of the missiles had "For the Children" written on it

 

Sadly the Russian people are only told one side of the story and its always been that way, we , the West had the chance to avoid all of this and end the Cold War once and for all but chose to gloat triumphantly when Gorbachev turned to us for help. Putin was never going to go down that line again.

The role of the West in Perestroika (albeit from Wiki. but I remember this time and my memories are of this)


President George H.W. Bush continued to dodge helping the Russians and the President of Czechoslovakia,
Václav Havel, laid bare the linkage for the Americans in his address to a joint session of Congress on 21 February 1990:

... I often hear the question: How can the United States of America help us today? My reply is as paradoxical as the whole of my life has been: You can help us most of all if you help the Soviet Union on its irreversible, but immensely complicated road to democracy....[T]he sooner, the more quickly, and the more peacefully the Soviet Union begins to move along the road toward genuine political pluralism, respect for the rights of nations to their own integrity and to a working—that is a market—economy, the better it will be, not just for Czechs and Slovaks, but for the whole world.

When the United States needed help with Germany's reunification, Gorbachev proved to be instrumental in bringing solutions to the "German problem" and Bush acknowledged that "Gorbachev was moving the USSR in the right direction". Bush, in his own words, even gave praise to Gorbachev "to salute the man" in acknowledgment of the Soviet leader's role as "the architect of perestroika... [who had] conducted the affairs of the Soviet Union with great restraint as Poland and Czechoslovakia and GDR... and other countries [that had] achieved their independence", and who was "under extraordinary pressure at home, particularly on the economy."

Big mistake imo..