A few lino's and goalkeeper or two were quite enough thanks. Or do you need to see multiple casualties on a weekly basis consider ****s being ****s at football to be a problem clubs might want to do something about?
You can certainly form an opinion on things that get missed on camera, absolutely, but when you insist that behaviour is no worse than in previous years, and we can see clear examples of players on the pitch being pelted with objects, I don't think you need to be in the stadium to verify that's occurring. This is going in circles though, you seem quite set in your belief that everything is fine and Acun is just getting his knickers in a twist, and I think it's a bit more serious than that. Each to their own.
As you say, it isn't just City games that are the issue, anyone who listens to The Second Tier podcast would know they also commented on it in their most recent episode (around about 42 mins in) as an increasingly problematic issue across the Championship. But I suppose they're just out to get supporters too..
Nah mate, we all know it's a pro-rugby league conspiracy propagated by the BBC at 'Fatty Burns' behest in conjunction with City Council and humberside plod. It was all decided years ago to line all their pockets and 'holidays' n' stuff. Was a meeting in linnet car park back before when stadium wus built. Gollum Lloyd ran the tuckshop. Pearson ran the book and did really quite well out of it.... Now 20 years later he can't afford the contract he negotiated with himself. Sorta.
Aye Each to their own Don’t make incorrect claims though. I’ve been careful to not accuse you of saying things you haven’t and yet you keep making spurious points to me not relevant to what I said. I have never ‘insisted behaviour is no worse than previous years’ in fact I’ve said it is, and offered suggestions as to why it is too.
You didn’t forecast stabbings, as far as I noticed, but you did use the ‘celery today, darts tomorrow’ argument “Today's celery is tomorrows darts if a line isn't drawn.” I think you and Sydney are conflating people thinking the reaction to bad behaviour in general is over the top with an assumption that they think individuals shouldn’t be brought to task. I think if you’re seen throwing something at players or other fans you should be thrown out. That doesn’t mean I think we’re going back to 70’s style football violence. I don’t and actually I don’t think we ever will. Which is good
You have previously when discussing items being pelted on the pitch, and in this discussion while not saying overtly that it's no worse, your comments about me not having a good sense of things because of my distance is at the very least what some would call 'dog whistling'.
Ah, then perhaps this is where a misalignment is coming from. This thread, and my view, is that the club is concerned with sanctions and is requesting people to behave themselves. Debating whether the sanctions are fair or over the top is an entirely different matter and one I'm not too interested in debating as I have no stake in whether the fine should be 50,000 or 500,000. I just care that the club faces serious sanctions because people can't do what they're told.
'Our' debate? All I've been discussing is the article I posted in the opening post and the fact that the media has not overblown these events as it is the club now appealing to supporters.
I think part of the problem is that they are doing exactly that, but the standards expected at football are much higher, and there's disproportionate outrage when someone falls short at football. Clearly, some people have misbehaved. It sounds like they've been identified and punished. Don't think many people will disagree with that happening. But a lot of people are unhappy that, as ever, any sign of misbehaviour at football is reported as a much bigger deal than anywhere else. We go about our daily lives and tolerate and ignore minor misdemeanors all over the place, without declaring entire demographics of people guilty, but the moment something happens at football it's a headline and it's "Hull City fans do X" or "England fans do Y". And the headlines all add up and then people are saying "this only happens at football" or "why can't football fans behave" and this is how we end up with a stereotype. The question isn't whether it's OK to chuck stuff on the pitch, because everyone knows it isn't OK generally, the question is whether the level of outrage and coverage, and how broadly it is aimed, is fair.
I could be wrong. It wouldn’t be the first time, but yes ‘our debate’…you know the times when we quote each other in reply…like you just did…again.
Indeed, which is why I expressed confusion and have previously suggested we might be misaligned on what the other is actually discussing. See when you say that the media is unfairly exaggerating footballing incidents, I see that as you downplaying the severity of what's occurring. Whereas I see bottles thrown on pitches, pitch invaders, etc. as quite serious. But as I suggested yesterday, I don't think we're going to agree on it so may as well leave it.
