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No Charges for the Danny Seaborne Incident

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by Saints Fan4Life, Oct 26, 2011.

  1. Joe!

    Joe! Well-Known Member

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    It happens to the best of us. We all know that Nige wouldn't want a violent, unprofessional man in his squad, so if he doesn't have a problem then neither should we :)
     
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  2. fatletiss

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    ASSUME - will always make an ASS with U and ME
    <whistle>
     
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  3. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    The one thing that nobody has mentioned is that at no time during this sorry affair have any charges or even suspicion been levelled at Dan himself. Surely if he had been threatening the bouncers or anyone else the police would at the very least have cautioned him?

    With all charges being dropped it suggests to me that it was just a case of a drunken man being pushed out of a nightclub who fell and hit his head. For goodness' sake let's draw one of Nigel's famous blue lines under the whole thing, move on, and let Dan carry on putting his life back together.
     
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  4. Jean Bedel Bokassa

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    Agreed <ok>
     
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  5. Dyslexic Saint

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    Several posters on here including experienced posters jumped to ridiculous conclusions.

    "a nipper should be able to go out with having his head kicked in"

    "Scumbags"

    "Southampton is a **** hole"

    "Society today"
     
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  6. Dyslexic Saint

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    Depends how you view "The bouncer was acting in self defense"
     
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  7. Joe!

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    You can't act in self-defence without having been assaulted.
     
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  8. YoshidaBattlesPinkRobots

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    Not strictly true Mr Steinberg: pre-emptive force can be justified if the person acting in self-defence can reasonably argue that there was a decent chance of being assaulted themselves
     
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  9. Joe!

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    Yes strictly true. Assault doesn't have to be a physical attack. The threat of being attacked can also amount to assault.
     
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  10. ChilcoSaint

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    Which brings us back to my point, where are the charges against Dan?
     
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  11. jenthesaint1990

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    you can not be guilty of a crime unless a jury or judge has deemed so.
     
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  12. fran-MLs little camera

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    If everyone was prosecuted for arguing about being escorted from a nightclub the courts would be full. Sounds like a bit of pushing and shoving resulted in a serious injury because Dan was drunk and couldn't save himself. Only guessing because none of us know..I doubt that Dan even remembers. Not worth the courts time and we're not talking armed robbery are we? The CPS only proceed when they thinks there's a hope of a conviction.
     
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  13. Piebacca

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    Maybe I'm cynical, but if the footballer had been on the other side of the fight, ithink there would have been charges.
     
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  14. Dan

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    No... the law is pretty much set in this area. They'd not convict somebody because "LOL FOOTBALL", litigation is very expensive and time consuming. Cynicism needs to be overruled by logic.
     
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  15. Saintdel

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    Bottom line is thier was insufficient evidence to bring charges, therefore the CPS decided that there was an unrealistic chance of gaining a prosecution.

    This could be levelled at DH or the bouncers..

    or....ALL of them for offences such as violent disorder/ affray etc...which are public offences committed due to the 'presence' of all involved and thier accumulative actions.

    Pre-emptive strikes are a defence however not a very succesful one...usually it will fall to provocation as a pre-emptive strike often needs backing from a lot of individual witnesses, statements such as "i thought he was going to get a right kicking, i'm not surprised he tried to punch his way out" have been used to good effect.

    However, i would imagine that the thier are two reasons why this has been discontinued by CPS and i am experienced enough to put it down to

    A. Insufficient evidence
    B. Not in the public interest.

    important thing here is DH's recuperation and return to what he's good at, playing football for Saints.
     
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  16. Saint Possum

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    Good points Saintdel, but try this
    Lack of CCTV coverage of occurrence of injuries,
    Knowledge of camera coverage, such as just out of sight of cameras by possible bus shelter.
    All facts that would lead to A. Insufficient evidence.
    I can't believe some Saints fans find it easy to think the worse of a player.
     
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  17. saintkitch

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    wow this is going round in circles, i think the majority on here are letting the fact that danny plays for saints cloud there judgement, there is no way he is 100% innocent in all this young lads out on the lash scuffles happen, these sort of things happen every night of the week. No way did he deserve what happened to him but if he had been behaving himself it wouldn't of happened.
     
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  18. YoshidaBattlesPinkRobots

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    Touché
     
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  19. SAINTDON13

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    Sadly it did, now let us all move on.
     
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  20. Saint Possum

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    Perhaps Danny was out for a quite drink with a fellow footballer
    Perhaps someone did not like Danny talking to his girl
    Perhaps this someone knew the bouncer
    Perhaps Danny could could not believe a bouncers intervention
    Perhaps for the sake of Harmony Danny said he would leave peacefully
    Perhaps some unnecessary handling took place
    Perhaps Danny got assaulted just out of the CCTV coverage area
    Perhaps due to Insufficient evidence a innocent persons who nearly lost there life should deserve more respect
     
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