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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Uber_Hoop

    Uber_Hoop Well-Known Member

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    I think that’s about right.

    Thatcher should never have privatised utility companies or the railways.

    Dr Beeching has a lot to answer for regarding the railways, as have successive administrations for allowing so many of these lines to be built upon instead of at least leaving them as ‘stock’ that could’ve been brought back online again. So short-sighted. Even if the lines weren’t reinstalled, we could’ve had safe cycle or walking routes between towns and villages away from the roads. Lost forever now.
     
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    Sadly you’re probably right…power corrupts.
     
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    Funnily enough I’ve just had a letter through to say that last year I’ve been overpaid with child tax credits to the tune of £700.
    We claimed when I was just starting out in the Ambulance service, was earning a ****ty wage and the Mrs wasn’t working at all. They kept paying it even though my wages went up and the Mrs started work…told them many times but it kept coming in the account.
    At the time that money got us through some rough times and we were able to use it to our advantage…..now I’m in a better place financially of course I’m happy to pay it back if I wasn’t really entitled to it.
    Isn’t that what we all should do ?
     
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    Don't know how old that is, but VAT has been at 20% for a good while
     
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    You got any links? I can't be arsed researching myself tonight, I'm ****ed, had a long day and I'm in the pub....
     
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    Google it and it comes up on YouTube…….worked for me
     
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    The tortured woman isn’t something I thought appropriate to post here. It wasn’t very nice.
     
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    Sent it to you mate
     
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    My grandad once told me a story of when him and his patrol found a load of Japanese swimming in a pool in Burma, naked and unarmed…..they shot them in cold blood without hesitation.
    Dunno if he felt ashamed of what he had done or pleased after what he’d seen the Japanese do to his captured mates.
    Wish I could ask him now.
     
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    My grandad told me his favourite war story…

    “There we were”, he said, “two against two hundred!”

    “What happened, Grandad?” I asked in wide-eyed fascination.

    “We won, but they were the toughest two we ever fought!”
     
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    :emoticon-0140-rofl::emoticon-0140-rofl:.

    I once asked my grandad if he volunteered to go over and fight for his country…..
    “Did I ****”, he replied. “ I was happy staying at home but they ****ing conscripted me”…..proud grandson.
     
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    I've been working on a self-employed basis for the last couple of years and submitted my first Self-Assessment tax return in January. Some of my pals think I'm nuts because as far as the taxman knew I'd retired. I just wouldn't have felt right not to declare it, though. If everyone paid their rightful tax, there needn't be so much poverty.

    Saw this today, millionaires telling Sunak that they should be taxed more......

    Tax us more to spare the poor, millionaires beg Sunak (thelondoneconomic.com)
     
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    It sounds very much like “virtue signalling” ( from us both) but I know you Strolls and it’s obviously just the way you are.
    As you correctly say…if we all paid our share, and of course the government spend it wisely, then we’d be in a far better position.
     
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    if you happen to meet any charitable millionaires let them know

    This page gives guidance to members of the public or private businesses who may wish to make a voluntary contribution to HM Government.


    Donations in general towards public expenditure
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    You should first confirm your intention in writing by emailing the following address: [email protected]

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    We will reply to confirm receipt of your email. As your donation should be sent by direct bank transfer, we will advise you of the bank account and bank sort code to be used. We will also advise you of the reference you should use for the transaction.

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    Further details can be found on the DMO’s website.

    Please note the DMO are constrained to use any donation received solely to purchase or cancel UK government bonds (“gilts”).

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    Oi!! I’m a shareholder, I quite like my divideds
     
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    Capitalist Pig !!!!

    Nah mate, crack on….it’s just like drug dealing (allegedly). You buy low and sell high.
     
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    They are decent shares, in a time of uncertainty deemed safe so yeah done quite well off them. I don’t necessarily disagree with you though, but let’s face it I’m sure there’s a few business dealings, party donations and peerships that will prevent nationalisation from happening
     
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    Partygate: Met Police to issue first fines, sources say
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    The first fines for breaches of Covid-19 lockdown rules as part of a police inquiry into government parties will be issued soon, the BBC has been told.

    The Metropolitan Police will issue at least 15 fixed-penalty fines initially and could start on Tuesday, Westminster sources suggest.

    The investigation of 12 events held across government began in January.

    It came after an internal inquiry passed information to the force. The Guardian said fines were "imminent".

    Downing Street and the Met have not commented, but government sources told the BBC officers could be about to begin issuing the fines.

    For months, Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his government were dogged by reports of staff parties in Downing Street when Covid restrictions were in place.


    Several Conservative MPs had called for Mr Johnson to resign over the parties, but some have changed their stance in recent weeks since the war in Ukraine started.

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    Don't forget how much trouble the PM was in
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    Quite rightly, the war in Ukraine has been sucking up much of the government's and Parliament's focus in recent weeks.

    That has released one form of pressure on Prime Minister Boris Johnson - and replaced it with another more serious in nature as he, together with allies, try to cope with a grave conflict.

    But don't forget how much trouble Mr Johnson and his team were in, over multiple allegations of breaking the Covid-19 regulations they themselves set.

    Even the minimalist version of the official Whitehall report into what went on was scathing.

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    The police investigation was launched after a separate inquiry was undertaken by senior civil servant Sue Gray.


    The initial findings of Ms Gray's inquiry criticised "failures of leadership and judgement" over the gatherings, between May 2020 and April 2021.

    The prime minister told Conservative MPs that an updated version of the Gray report will be published in full, once the police have finished their investigation.

    Of the 16 gatherings listed in her initial findings, the police are investigating all but four of them.

    A various stages during the pandemic, the government has imposed legally enforceable rules - including restrictions on social gatherings - to stop Covid from spreading and save lives.

    The policy inquiry, called Operation Hillman, is examining 12 gatherings on eight dates to see if Covid regulations were broken.

    Mr Johnson is known to have attended at least three of the gatherings:


    • 20 May 2020 in the Downing Street garden
    • 19 June 2020 in the Cabinet Room for the prime minister's birthday
    • 13 November 2020 on the departure of a special adviser
    He has said he did not believe he was breaking any rules, but apologised "for the things we simply didn't get right".

    Last week, Conservative co-chairman Oliver Dowden told LBC that Mr Johnson was "confident" he did not break the law.

    The police said a fine - known as a fixed-penalty notice - would be issued to anyone found to have breached Covid regulations.

    The Met said it would contact people "believed to have taken part in the events in question to get their accounts".

    The force had sent questionnaires to dozens of staff members, aides and ministers, including Mr Johnson and Chancellor Rishi Sunak.

    Officers have already been supplied with more than 300 photographs and 500 pages of material, from the inquiry led by Ms Gray.

    The force said the questionnaires have "formal legal status" and needed to be responded to "truthfully" within seven days.

    Mr Johnson has returned his questionnaire, but Downing Street has since said his answers would not be made public. He has, however, said he would tell the public if he received a fine.

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    Watch: What has the PM said before about alleged No 10 parties?
    For those who do receive a fine, they will face no further action if the penalty is paid, police said.

    The Met said if they decide to dispute the fine, officers will consider whether to pursue the matter in court.

    The force has said it will reveal the number of fixed penalty notices it issues, and the nature of the rule breaches.

    In a statement on 21 March, the Met said it had "begun to interview people, as witnesses", but had not yet issued any fixed-penalty notices.

    "To date, over 100 questionnaires have been sent out asking the recipients about their participation in alleged gatherings," the force said.

    A change of tone
    Just weeks ago, Ms Gray's report and the police investigation had threatened to derail Mr Johnson's government.

    A raft of media reports about the parties when Covid rules applied angered many and provoked some Tory MPs to seek the removal of Mr Johnson as prime minister.

    To trigger a leadership challenge in the Conservative Party, at least 15% of sitting MPs have to write a letter saying they no longer have any confidence in the prime minister.

    But in recent weeks, Conservatives have changed their tone in response to the war in Ukraine.

    Earlier this month, the leader of the Scottish Conservatives, Douglas Ross, withdrew his letter of no confidence in the prime minister, citing the war in Ukraine.

    Mr Ross said the row over the lockdown parties now seemed trivial in comparison to Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine and now would be "totally the wrong time" to change leader.

    More on this story
     
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    **** me. GMB this morning devoting 5 minutes to the accent of something called Liam Payne. Doctor Hilary Twat before that. What am I doing watching such garbage? Oh yeah, Laura Tobin. Yummy.
     
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    You can't post that without pictures
     
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